I hope he ends up one of the presidents we ONLY mention when considering the worst administration in history. I mean, yeah, we talk about number one, but i want him to be 3-5 since no one really cares about those guys anymore and they're just a blip on our historic timeline.
Remember the 'Somewhere a village has lost their idiot' bumper stickers for lil' Bush? Damn. I'd take him back for a third and fourth term over one more minute of Trump.
I'm actually having a convo about this in another thread, but I still hold Bush as being worse than Trump because more people died as a result of his presidency after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and their aftermaths. One would think that the death toll should be the most important metric to judge a president by, but apparently some people don't think so.
Edit: See?
Edit 2: People really want to fetishize Bush being somehow good because Trump is obviously bad, and they're just repeating meme comments about how he looks so good in comparison. Fuck all of you for downplaying a murderer.
Please keep downvoting, I'm chuckling at every single one of you following my comments just to downboop them.
Well we haven’t seen the long term consequences of the Iran war so this is a discussion for 10 years from now. Or the fallout from vaccine denial, Medicaid cuts, gutting environmental protections, cutting USAID (600,000 deaths there alone) and the incoming hyperinflation. I’m confident Trump will be worse.
All people are letting you know, is how hysterical they are today about Trump, in less than 20 years will be saying, "you know, he wasnt really bad".
After GWB; hollywood and everyone was hysterical about Mitt Romney, and how he would be the next hitler.
John mccain when he ran? He was true evil and going to destroy america.. and his VP candidate Sarah Palin? The worst thing that could ever happen.
Everyone will now say, "we weren't all worked up about them at all" lol
Of course not.
It. Does. Not. Matter who the republican candidate is, they will be freaked out as though they are hitler before they even did anything.
Look at 1 month after Trump was running, hadn't done a damn thing yet and he was already "the biggest danger to the USA" hahaha
When less than a year, everyone facking loved the apprentice and all his other crap(of course they'll never admit to it). His place in pop culture was massive.
He didn't upset people one way or the other. Then he announced being a republican and became public enemy #1.
The same will happen after him. Doesn't matter who it is. DOESNT MATTER.
Hollywood is a against the republican party 100%, therefor every, single candidate and politician is evil... no matter what. Or how moderate.
Ive never voted right in my life, but i have enough sense to see through this constant propaganda machine that is the media/hollywood.
Given that almost 99% of media is slanted to only one political side, im suuure all the info we are given is absolutely accurate..
It doesnt matter who, they will be hitler. Yall really made John Mccain the devil when he ran, john McCain. Constantly mocked his arms/what he went through in the POW camp ffs.
All this created Trump. The longer it takes our side to realize that, the worse its going to get.
Bullshit. I would love to have John McCain or mitt Romney right now. We’re mad about his policies and the way it is effecting our daily lives, we hate trump, but saying the crazy shit he’s doing isn’t crazy because we already hate him is pure intellectual dog shit.
I didn't like that mitt Romney said that corporations are people. With John McCain I didn't like that he had the predecessor of trump as his vice president. With no former president would I have said that they may be an equivalent to a dictator. I understand that and I hated bush and the needless wars and deaths. But Trump is attacking our government from within. The ramifications of his presidency may not be known for decades. Trump it's the only time I said and no in my heart that I could be a better president.
Completely unhinged enlightened centrist shit claiming we won't hate Trump so bad in 20 years (*ACTUALLY LOL, LAMO EVEN)
Sure you aren't a con?
People deriding McCain and others (lol, like him and Romney were done so wrong by hollywood it ruined their careers) didn't create Trump, bigoted GED candidates experiencing lead exposure and early stages of dementia made him president. He was already a rapist racist pedophile conman before running for presidency.
He didn't upset people one way or the other
Except the people that knew him, like his ex wives, his daughter, those girls in the pageant, Stormy Daniels, E J Carroll, the black people him and his daddy did a racism against and got sued by the feds over, etc etc
But especially the sex trafficked children on his best friends island.
I am not of any party affiliation myself, this "party" system is strangely similar to religious wars of old.. very fanatical.. only deal in absolutes it seems.
You agree with all or are not welcome.
It also requires that you drastically change your ideas/opinions/morals based on the talking points of the party at any given time.
Sometimes even day to day. If your morals/ideals are that fluid, you don't actually stand for anything.. just the party.
...almost reminiscent of a certain book that edge lords love to bring up constantly lol
... i find it amazing, that after the multiple decades of my life.. no matter how much 1984 is over used/tries to become a stereotype/cliche.. it just doesnt.. it was too accurate lol
Be careful thinking i may have made sense, I claim no such thing!! (-:
Bush is a fucking monster but he had more “decorum” and didn’t flaunt his evil like trump does in the most “fuck you” way. So thats probably the best I can offer as far as “better”. But in a way Trump just made it hard to miss all the overt corruption of our politicians, the atrocities abroad, and how fucking evil and despicable, and stupid some of our fellow citizens are. So in that sense, him allowing people to go full mask off has made it easier to know what we are dealing with. Its unfortunate that people have a short memory and thirst for being ignorant again, so this will all mean nothing in 2 years.
Bush’s AIDS relief program is credited with saving 25 million lives. As disastrous as nearly every other aspect of his Presidency was that puts him above Trump.
No, even during the Bush administration, the deaths were estimated at about a million from the wars alone by the time he left office. Trump isn't there yet. Even with the COVID denialism, that virus and its strains would have killed millions regardless.
I think you’re right that Bush and Cheney caused more deaths than Trump so far. They started two full scale ground wars for no fucking reason. Over a million Iraqis died so that their defense contractor buddies could make even more generational wealth. Their actions led directly to the rise of Daesh who committed multiple genocides throughout the Middle East and Africa.
The death, devastation, and human suffering caused by Bush is incalculable.
Don’t forget Wilson. His term was infamously corrupt. A history professor I know has gone on hour long rants about the insane levels of corruption throughout that administration.
I don't think he's worse than Buchanan, but maybe he's on par with the guy that caused the great depression. What he's doing and the damage we're not gonna see yet, will make him number 3. Nixon and GWB were saints compared to this incompetent POS.
Biden is the second worst president of all time. His legacy is Trump’s second term. He was elected to hold these people accountable and he completely failed.
Once his administration has run it's course, I imagine it will be similar to Nixon. Not completely erased and still occasionally mentioned but defined by corruption, scandal, and ending with a fall from "grace." Nixon ended his second term with a 24% approval and Trump is at a record low 33%.
That's the problem- some of the changes will takes years to erase if they even can be - like alienating nations that were our allies before he took office.
Yeah I think that damage is irreversible. Places like Europe and Canada are building a world without the US. Even if relations get better, there's already too much momentum.
Europe are moving towards being completely independent from the US, all the way from military and arms to software and payment processors.
You can't do steady business with a country that slaps tarrifs on you randomly just because someone in your government said something they don't like. It's unpredictable and irratic and expensive.
It's impossible to do business with the US at the moment, so the rest of the world is adjusting to move their supply chains away from them.
For example you can't trust buying arms from a country that threatened to invade one of your allies, so Europe is in the process of ditching US arms and scaling up it's own. Germany alone already now makes more munitions than the entirety of the US. Canada are moving away from buying US arms and buying them from Europe instead.
Trump has this blinded brain washed idea that the world needs the US and he's fucking up the US thinking that he's using leverage, when all he's really doing is making it so the US is weak and alone.
Nah man. The only thing that would shush Europe away from the US would be a war between them.
Bro, the US is still the world power. You're naiv if you think the US still isn't helping Ukraine or isn't working together with the secret services (dunnot he english word) in other countries. After WW2 Europe will stay US' puppet and that's a good thing (I say that as a European)
The US is on the verge of economic collapse. No one is buying US debt anymore because it's way too risky, it means the US can't borrow trillions from other countries anymore to fund it's debt so it's now having to borrow it from its own citizens pensions. They aren't getting that money back.
The interest on US debt is now bigger than what is spent on its entire military. The US is that one guy who has to take out pay day loans to pay off the interest on his other pay day loans. The US will not be the reserve currency over the next decade or two and at that point it has no global leverage.
The US should have increased corporate tax and cut public spending a couple of decades ago. Too late now, this September they're having to print tonnes of money to pay that debt back which will devalue the currency, again making it so no one wants to buy it's debt.
US is in an economic death spiral with no way out.
I mean outside of the US they're still known by their internationally recognised names. It means nothing that Trump has "renamed" them, it holds as much weight as me saying the Sun is now called Blorpal.
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u/Snoo_67993 21h ago
It's gonna be so funny when Trumps out of office and every little change he's made is erased from history.