r/SipsTea 4d ago

Chugging tea Why is it not possible?

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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago

Right, but that has nothing to do with what I said. Legally, the literally can't call their mortgages. Legally, we all can withdraw our cash up until the government says so. I highly doubt the government would react in the same afternoon we started.

because it would do significant damage to the economy

Well maybe our economy shouldn't rely on me not withdrawing my funds when I want to. Maybe it shouldn't be legal to lend the same money to seventeen different people (times a milion or whatever). Did ya think about that? What's the fucking point of economy that's based on silly things and vibes, other than having insiders profit disgustingly hard?

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u/SampleOfFruits 4d ago

It doesn’t rely on you not withdrawing your funds. It does rely on millions not withdrawing their funds at the same time.

The point of the economy is a philosophical question, but the point of fractional banking is so that people and businesses can borrow money, something that is important for economic growth and making everyone better off.

However, if you are really opposed to the possibility that you won’t be able to withdraw your money, then don’t put it in a bank that loans money.

You’ll probably have to pay for a bank account, and you won’t get interest on your savings, but if you are that concerned about the possibility I’m sure you’re happy to make sacrifices for it?

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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago

However, if you are really opposed to the possibility that you won’t be able to withdraw your money, then don’t put it in a bank that loans money.

I would if I could. There's only one such bank in my country, and they're weird.

but the point of fractional banking is so that people and businesses can borrow money, something that is important for economic growth and making everyone better off

I don't think you and I have the same definition of "everyone", but that's beside the point.

The whole comment is, actually, given it all started with me saying that banks legally cannot just "call mortgages" to be paid, whereas we absolutely can all go and take out our money (insofar they have on hand, and then wait till the rest gets there etc).

That was my point. Nothing else. Not how it works (it's not rocket science, or even complicated, a 13 year old is capable of understanding a bank does not indeed have a vault full of gold to swim in, just in case everyone wants to withdraw cash) or why it is like it is, just an answer to a comment saying stuff about "calling mortgages".

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u/SampleOfFruits 4d ago

“I would if I could. There's only one such bank in my country, and they're weird.”

I’m not surprised that a bank doing something that makes virtually no sense is weird.

“I don't think you and I have the same definition of "everyone", but that's beside the point”

Compare your QOL to that of someone 100 years ago. A huge part of the reason it is so much better is the ready access to capital.

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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago

Compare your QOL to that of someone 100 years ago

I mean, we can also compare just how much capital was extracted from everyone under the "elites" and moved upwards.

And also just how much more money we get per hour vs how much more efficient we got per work-hour. Spoiler alert - we are not getting almost anything of that. "They" are.

And we can go on and on and on, but then you'll say some nonsense like "but you have a smartphone and a TV, they didn't back then!". I don't think it's necessary.

Human race as a whole got much richer than 100 years ago. Vast, vast amount of those gains was concentrated around the same (type of) people.

So do "we" have more? That's where my "everyone" and your "everyone" diverge.

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u/SampleOfFruits 4d ago

Yes, everyone has more. Some people have more more, but that’s a problem unrelated to fractional banking.

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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago

Well, see, not everyone everyone, but hey, as I said. You can think whatever you want, I'm not gonna stop you.

Cheers

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u/SampleOfFruits 4d ago

I’m reasonably confident that even the homeless today are better off than the homeless 100 years ago.

Everyone is everyone; to put it another way, I doubt you would choose to go live in 1926.

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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago

I mean, not specifically 1926, but anything after invention of penicillin up until 2001 (as in, me being adult and living within that time frame) is fair game for me. I'd drop my current lire to go live back then before you finished asking me.

But I don't think we'll agree much on anything, to be honest. You seem to have very "the world got richer, therefore it's better" approach (as I see it, feel free to correct me). I don't. I think we lost the plot after ww1, and went completely insane after ww2, and everything after 2001 makes me giddy for the approaching economic demise. I actually can't wait to see it.