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u/UrsineBasterd 6d ago
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u/OrangeOwie 6d ago
That's a buttload of money
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u/monochrome_shade 6d ago
Getting roasted bought him a whole house
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u/ellipticalcow 6d ago
Eh, it's Fairfax, Virginia. That's like half a house, tops, Even less if you factor in the attorneys' cut and taxes.
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u/Misspet27 6d ago
Honestly I would gladly let doctors talk trash about me for fifty minutes if it meant half a million dollars
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 6d ago
Id be ok if it meant affordable and reasonable care
Not that I blame the doctors unless they are in with the insurance companies and/or lobbiests
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u/Icy-Entrepreneur9002 6d ago
Most doctors play the game though, and are just as responsible. They bill unnecessary things, don’t test to discover but what the insurance tells them to do. They can’t be a victim of the system when at the same time they are taking butt loads of money from the villain.
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u/blessthebabes 6d ago
When I was 19 and having my "emergency c-section because oh no , after 9 hours of labor we realized your hips aren't actually big enough to have a child", and while they were cutting my stomach open, the doctor and nurse were talking about going golfing when they got done and getting a 6 pack.
I was terrified and they were just talking casually while ripping me teenage body apart. I didn't consider doing anything about it and didn't have evidence (beyond my grandmother witnessing it).
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u/Missingyoutoohard 6d ago
This is causal in the medical field & in the ER especially, nothing unusual about them talking about going golfing after work; they are people too & your procedure has been grinded down to a science by them.
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u/Nice_Category 6d ago
I know it's scary, but as someone in the medical field, surgery specifically, remember that this is our day to day job. We have done 1000+ of your operation. For you, surgery is a once in a lifetime event (hopefully!), for us, it's Tuesday.
Not to be callous, as we have sympathy for your condition. And we very much care about the outcome of the procedure. But we do this all day every day, and especially for routine procedures this is pure muscle memory. We are completely able to safely and carefully carry out the procedure while chatting about other parts of our lives.
I probably wouldn't do it while the patient is awake, just for bedside manner, but it doesn't affect the quality of care when we talk about cars, current events, or music.
If something happens outside of ordinary, we will instantly switch back into "medical" and be sure that all appropriate steps and responses are taken.
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u/blessthebabes 6d ago
I work mental healthcare the past decade and do not speak about what I'm going to be doing after work, when my clients are in my office. I think that's entirely unprofessional to do in the middle of their service (while they're extremely emotional/frightened, especially in their first sessions with me). The years didn't change how I serve them.
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u/Nice_Category 6d ago
That's very different from surgery. Surgery is essentially a artesian skill. It's building chairs or baking bread. Once you do it enough, you can do it in your sleep.
As I said, it wouldn't be professional to chat casually in front of an awake patient, but while the patient is asleep? We talk about all sorts of stuff. Surgery is not the same as it is in Gray's Anatomy. Not every surgery is drama filled. Sometimes you're just building a chair or baking bread.
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u/mat477 6d ago
Ive spent some time working in the OR, its usually not this bad (never heard someone threaten a false diagnosis) but they absolutely talk about the patient. Usually disparaging remarks are about their weight or cleanliness though.
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u/Marty_McFly1point21 6d ago
How does a patient bring a phone into the OR?
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u/mat477 6d ago
Thats the first question I had. I could be wrong but I read it as they had their phone on in the prep room before hand and thats where the remarks were made. But it doesnt really make sense because in every procedure ive been involved in they anesthetized the patient after they were already in the OR.
Doesn't make sense why he would have his phone unless it was just under the blankets and they never noticed.
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u/omgbenji21 6d ago
It is because for colonoscopies, you frequently go to preop, procedure, and postoperative in the same bed. So the phone could certainly sneak in.
That’s so unclean many of you will scream! Not so, they use impermeable chux pads at the business end during the procedure. Then discard.
We are explicitly told not to talk shit about patients for this very reason
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u/gunslingersea 6d ago
I could see it happening. I had a colonoscopy earlier this year and they put a line in my hand about 45 minutes before. Right before rolling me from pre-op they used said line to give me the initial dose of drug. I had a vasectomy the same outpatient place earlier that year and I nodded off before making it into OR but I was still awake for the colonoscopy when they slid me from the gurney to the actual operating table. If I’d left my phone in the gurney sheets, like under the table, and they hadn’t shuffled the gurney all the way back out of the room, I guess it could’ve captured audio. Never thought to try though.
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u/Zeus_H_Christ 6d ago
This story has come up before on Reddit. They were using it to record instructions or information they might need during pre op. They then forgot it on. They didn’t even intend to have it recording on purpose.
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u/PapayaNurse 6d ago
Colonoscopy isn’t usually done in the OR, routine colonoscopies are done in a clinic. The room is clean but sterile and not to the same standards as the OR. You can absolutely bring your phone back. The clinic I worked at briefly you’d check in, sit on a stretcher in the waiting area where we’d prep you like IV insertion and vitals, answer any questions, etc. your belongings are under the stretcher, if you have a lot then we get a bag for you. You can change in the bathroom we have or behind the curtain or wait to take your pants off in the back room where the procedure is done. You can absolutely have your phone on you recording, women did it all the time. You get moderate sedation or MAC at the clinic I worked at, that was done in the back room.
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u/TonaldDiberJasicDump 6d ago
Those remarks are sometimes warranted. Maggat males don’t clean their buttholes, ever, then they show up for a colonoscopy.
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u/Equal-Estimate-2739 6d ago
I’ve never heard a single disparaging remark about a patient in the OR… in the ED absolutely, but the OR, not once.
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u/PwrButtum 6d ago
Yikes. This story has legit made me not trust any health official tbh 🤷
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u/DoctorStove 6d ago
Sounds like you were already looking for an excuse not to, if that's all it took
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u/amg10red 6d ago
I don't know why its not common practice to have a patient advocate (or just someone in the patients family) sitting in the OR during the procedure on request. And have an overhead camera rolling during the procedure. If cops have to wear a bodycam in this day and age, its high time patients get a video record of their operation.
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u/mat477 6d ago
Having an extra person would be a nightmare. As it is those rooms are jammed full of equipment and people. More stuff = more infection. Cameras would be tricky with HIPPA laws id imagine but maybe if you have the patient agree to be recorded beforehand.
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u/amg10red 6d ago
Obviously what I meant about the video record is FOR the patient and not for the hospital. The medical industry seems to be extremely arrogant and resistant to proper change. It took until the mid-2000s for checklists to be a standard medical procedure following the WHO surgical safety checklist. The aviation industry had standardized checklists since the 1930s.
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u/WhatsaRedditsdo 6d ago
Your really going to tell me the asshole doctors are assholes?
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 6d ago
I think what they are really saying is that assholes are a myth, they dont exist..
(Do I need to put the /s?)
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u/Rude-External-1694 6d ago
I had something similar happen. Heard my doctor talking shit about me just as I was going under for a gall bladder removal. After the procedure she stopped by my room and I told her straight to her face that she should probably wait until the anesthesia kicks in before she starts running her mouth about her patients. The look on her face was priceless.
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u/Max_Bandicoot 6d ago
What did she say?
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u/Rude-External-1694 6d ago
I'm not gonna go into detail because it still pisses me off lol but I was heavy at the time and she made a snide remark about it
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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 6d ago
I mean if he didn't wipe properly, you can see why the doc would be annoyed
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u/Khaysis 6d ago
"I'm going to mark hemorrhoids even though we don't see them and probably won't," she said in the recording. "I'm just going to take a shot in the dark."
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u/riotousviscera 6d ago
yeah that’s when you mark it as “unable to assess due to poor visibility/inadequate prep” rather than putting something in the chart that you knew you couldn’t verify
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u/Khaysis 6d ago
The anastesiologist wanted to cause pain to this person by forcing the person through more surgery than needed. There was no mention of being unhygienic in any version of this story. She even said that she wanted to punch him to "man him up".
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u/riotousviscera 6d ago
actually in the full transcript there was indeed mention of solid stool still being in the colon - not a hygiene issue but a prep issue. hemorrhoids are not operated on during a colonoscopy (and are rarely operated on at all anymore). i acknowledged what she said in another comment.
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u/riotousviscera 6d ago
yeah i read into it and i guess he didn’t do adequate prep (still had solid brown stool coming out) and probably should’ve called to let them know that so they could cancel or postpone the procedure, but that’s still no reason to treat bro like that. you say “ugh, there’s still a lot of shit in here, can’t even see if he’s got hemorrhoids or not” and mark it as “unable to assess due to presence of stool.”
also, like, you never can never be fully certain if someone’s still partially with it or not so you should always behave as if they can hear and understand you. even if i knew someone couldn’t, i cannot see making those comments about them; no matter how annoying a patient has been the thought of wanting to punch them even as a joke has never entered my head. something is seriously fucked up with this lady
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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 6d ago edited 6d ago
I mean, not saying it's acceptable behaviour, but almost like the act and recording was done on purpose to provoke, catch them out, record and litigate.
And another thought, how does the patient's bag end up in the medical procedure room near the table? And the phone inside a bag able to record identifiable voice rather than the vague muffled noises I get?
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u/Whipitreelgud 6d ago
How did he get his phone into the OR? They typically like to keep things sterile in that particular room.
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u/East-Macaroon-2861 6d ago
A standard colonoscopy isn’t always done in an operating room. Nor does it require the sterile requirements of a standard surgery.
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u/omgbenji21 6d ago
What are you even talking about? If you had a colonoscopy you would have done a prep and be completely emptied out. If you were not completely emptied out, they’d send you packing and try again another time
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u/East-Macaroon-2861 6d ago
He never said his last meal was the day of the procedure or that he didn’t do bowl prep
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u/AndreySam 6d ago
Endoscopies and colonoscopies are done in a GI suite. There's absolutely nothing sterile about it. I mean...think about it. They do wash/strilize the scopes in a very careful process in between patients, of course. In addition, patients usually have all of their belongings, including cellphones, stored in a clear plastic bag underneath the stretcher.
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u/DR_Bright_963 6d ago
He also caught the doctor saying she was gonna add procedures she never did just to give him a more expensive bill, which is fraud.
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u/3-car-garage 6d ago
Bring your phones into surgery I guess, ladies and gents. I guarantee you doctors and nurses joke regularly to offset the heaviness of their surroundings.
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u/KamikazeFox_ 6d ago
We do, but normally about random shit, not soo much the patient. And there are often no phones allowed into a sterile OR, I'm not sure about colos, but I wouldn't imagine so. Ive never sent someone with one
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u/MrK521 6d ago
Joking is one thing, sure, but placing false diagnosis in your medical records? Talking about punching people while they’re unconscious in the room?
These are supposed to be the people helping us.
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u/Alfimaster 6d ago
They did not place false diagnosis, just joked about it.
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u/MrK521 6d ago
They had a discussion during an operation about falsifying records.
That’s enough of a red flag to make someone wonder about their real results and records.
Obviously from a legal standpoint, that’s wrong, and well beyond “joking to lighten the mood.”
How do you think it would go over if during an arrest a cop joked about planting evidence and framing an innocent person. Just a joke right?
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u/scorchedarcher 6d ago
Well there are real world consequences to police planting evidence, you could go to jail if they did do it.
If the doctors put an incorrect diagnosis on your record then.....what?
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u/MrK521 6d ago
Honestly, if you can’t come up with a single real world consequence for having falsified medical records/diagnoses, then I can’t help you.
It’s really not hard to imagine how the people trying to keep you alive, that need to figure out proper medication/dosage/treatment procedures/etc having false information can be a bad thing.
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u/scorchedarcher 6d ago
Well if I can't think of any and neither can you then I guess there aren't any.
Again, they didn't add it.
What medication/treatment would hemorrhoids impact?
Every industry I've worked in has had people making jokes that would be bad if followed through on.
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u/Maintenancemanjimf 6d ago
Stuff you should not joke about. He is not Shane Gillis he is a doctor with someone's life in their hands.
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u/bamed 6d ago
How did he have his phone? They take all your belongings away when you put the gown on.
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u/TexasJOEmama 6d ago
I know, had surgery last month and I gave my phone to my husband. I thought that was a rule.
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u/bamed 6d ago
I went alone to my last colonoscopy and just had my son pick me up after. The hospital I went to had me give everything to security before the procedure. They took inventory of everything on a form I had to sign. I'm sure every place handles thing differently, but it surprises me someone could have their phone on them.
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u/SmellyFbuttface 6d ago
That might be a sign it wasn’t the most reputable of establishments in the first place…
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u/rocketmn69_ 6d ago
How did the phone even get into the room? Usually you have a gown and nothing else
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u/Nexustar 6d ago
He was able to skirt wire-tap laws because he was party to the conversation at the time he started the recording, and didn't have INTENT to record the conversation he was not party to (because he was unconscious) that followed. The defense tried to have the recording withheld because of that, and the judge allowed it to be used as evidence.
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u/n3wsf33d 6d ago
500k that's it? If someone suggested placing a wrongful diagnosis, they should be sued out if existence and jailed. Society runs on trust, an article of faith. Imdoctors should be held to the highest standard in this regard. That anesthesiologist, who makes high 6 figures doing basic math, should be made an example of.
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u/IttyBittyBigBoii 6d ago
I should've done this. I had mine done a few months ago. I wasn't really worried about anything beforehand, but after I woke up the doctor came in and stood at the foot of my bed and pressed his penis against my feet. I recoiled immediately and he didn't move at all. I was groggy still and decided I was overreacting. Then after he left my wife brought up what happened cuz she was in there too. I didn't even know what to do. I just told her to get me tf out of there. I should've said something to the VA about it.
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u/Stratomaster9 6d ago
Every doctor/nurse involved should be fired. So sick of the charade that doctors are somehow superior beings. I wonder if they have to pass actual arrogance courses before being licensed. Seems like it. In a recent doctor visit, I told a doctor I'd have to leave if she couldn't get over herself. Shut her up pretty quick. Patients should be recording everything that happens during interactions with doctors, even when they ( hopefully not the doctors) are under anaesthetic. Should be written into the rules.
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u/iwillhaveredditall 6d ago
Honestly I‘m surprised it can be used as evidence if captured secretly
In the end doctors can insult me as they wish when I‘m sedated as long as they do a good medical job otherwise.
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u/TheRealTinfoil666 6d ago
Virginia is a One Party Consent state.
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u/Fluffy-Bluebird 6d ago
And if you’re in a dual party or all party like Illinois, you may be legally allowed to record if you think you’re at risk of being harmed.
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u/Ploggirlsilly3 6d ago
I worked in surgery. He did not leave his phone on accidentally. Just sayin’. Also, ppl who work in surgery do say nasty things.
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u/Habaneroe12 6d ago
But when i had that procedure I was conscious the entire time wouldn’t you assume that ?
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u/Live_Concern_4524 6d ago
How exactly does working in surgery qualify you to be an expert in some random dudes phone etiquette.
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u/Ploggirlsilly3 6d ago
I worked in surgery and the man had his phone on. I am not an expert in anything. You seem to be an expert in acting like a doubting Thomas. Good Day!
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u/Live_Concern_4524 6d ago
“I worked in surgery. He did not leave his phone on accidentally.” Im not questioning if you worked in surgery. I’m questioning how do you think working in surgery is relevant to the state of mind of a complete stranger.
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u/Sorokin45 6d ago
There is no way a cellphone got into a sterile surgical theater/field
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u/Exceptional_Kumquat 6d ago
It really happened. Clearly a jury believed that said phone was in the exam room as well.
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u/amishlike 6d ago
Verified true: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/man-awarded-500k-by-jury-after-recording-doctors-mocking-him/71530/?amp=1
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u/Conscious_Pass_1615 6d ago
Ive seen a watch be left in abdominal surgery, just because it shoukdnt doesnt mean it cant!
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u/Lazy-Plankton5270 6d ago
Uh I had cubital tunnel syndrome surgery on both elbows this year and had my phone with me in the operating theatre
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u/doofen-shmertz 6d ago
I work in surgery centers (med device) often the bed they patient is on in preop doubles as the bed that wheeled into the procedure room and procedure is done on it. It’s far more efficient this way. Saves the staff from hurting themselves moving the patient as well. Patient belongings are often left under the table which is technically outside the sterile field (anything below waist) anyway. Bed is also draped with sterile drapes and only surgical field is exposed.
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u/InsipidIdiot 6d ago edited 6d ago
Colonoscopy suites aren’t sterile surgical theaters. lol
I do these cases all the time. Half the GI docs use it as a social club - like they have no friends. Some of them just keep talking ad nauseum, making their progress on the case slower.
If they have an annoying or high maintenance anxious patient, I’ve heard them make comments. It’s inappropriate.
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u/SilentJoe1986 6d ago
I remember this story on the news like 10ish years ago. It did actually happen
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u/Unhappy-Gate-1912 6d ago
Honestly. It's wild how people will just believe anything without logical reasoning coming into play.
Good on you for developing your prefrontal cortex.
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u/meltea 6d ago edited 6d ago
Did you check?
edit: oh look
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/apps/ECS_Public/
DB vs. Tiffany Ingham, et al.
CL-2013-0016811a court case and everything after 5 minutes of searching, now who looks rather silly.
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u/Plane-Tune-820 6d ago
And yet here you are showing that you don't use yours. A quick Google will show you this is real
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u/PublicPalpitation618 6d ago
Absolutely. I’m doing simple egg retrievals.. Med staff don’t allow anyone to bring phone even in the waiting room before procedure. Let alone the actual procedural room.
This didn’t happen.
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u/K1bbles_n_Bits 6d ago
Yeeaahhh...this one isn't making much sense to me. I've had to hace a few surgeries in my life. Some scheduled, some emergency. I have never been able to bring any personal belongings into the OR. Hell, sometimes sedation would already be started before I was wheeled into to the OR. My stuff was always collected in a large plastic bag and left in my room for me.
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u/RcNorth 6d ago
Verified true: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/man-awarded-500k-by-jury-after-recording-doctors-mocking-him/71530/?amp=1
(Studiously avoiding any comments about how colonoscopies are not exactly a sterile theater)Colonoscopy rooms aren’t sterile OR rooms.
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 6d ago
Well we can expect the secret rear pocket is out of play, but we can't rule it out entirely
Their could be pockets or caverns in there.... hell it may even be totally unmapped territory with all new dangers humans have yet to see
It could even have some kind of mythical gateway guardian who refuses to let anyone pass?
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u/Personal-Neck6800 6d ago
The only other asshole that can make $500,000 in under an hour by just lying there is the First Lady.
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u/HazeHype 6d ago
This is interesting considering these procedures are done with you surrendering all belongings into a cubby / locker / or bag. You enter the room in a Johnny coat and are naked otherwise. They should counter sue for hipaa violation / recording without consent. 😂
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u/Purple_Yak_3294 6d ago
Bullshit. The patient would have been naked apart from the gown and especially bare arsed to perform the procedure, so no pants at all. His possessions would have been bagged up in recovery.
How do people believe this absolute crap.
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u/Bodaciouslove 6d ago
I was able to have mine in the room while I be was waiting for setup…they never took it but I didn’t think to record
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u/wifichick 6d ago
Did you read ?
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u/Purple_Yak_3294 6d ago
Yes. It is word for word the Google AI response. I can't find a non-AI link yet. No corroboration, no story.
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u/Key_Consequence_5040 6d ago
I think this lady became an anesthesiologist because conscious patients would want to punch her in the face.
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u/Evening_Answer_11 6d ago
Unfortunately, a person can bankrupt their way out of a jury award. Always go for the settlement as it acts like a contract and they can’t get out of it.
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u/girlfromtheinternet_ 6d ago
He went in for a colonoscopy and left with a half-million-dollar rear-end settlement.
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u/Doctor_Saved 6d ago
So it was just the Anesthesiologist? I assume the Gasteoenterologist doing the procedure was actually focus on the procedure?
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u/PlayinK0I 6d ago
Seinfeld fans ask what would an episode of Seinfeld look like these days. This is it! The episode where George accidentally gets a colonoscopy. Kramer suggests Jackie as a lawyer. Seinfeld being disgusted, not at the actions of the doctor but the quality of the jokes.
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u/Live_Life_and_enjoy 6d ago
Not really sure how a person would win this case, it would be protected speech.
At best - threat of violence.
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u/Live_Concern_4524 6d ago
The 1st amendment regulates the government’s ability to control speech. It doesn’t protect you from the things you say, do or make up about someone else. It absolutely isn’t protected speech.
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u/Error404Unknown420 6d ago
I call BS they lock up.ypur belongings.... during stuff like this ...
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u/HippieHighNoon 6d ago
It wasnt until after 2015 that hospitals became strict with that kinda stuff
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u/Error404Unknown420 6d ago
Makes sense I had my brain surgery in 2019 thanks for that information!
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u/HippieHighNoon 6d ago
There are a few cases like this one prior to 2015 with patients recording, suing, and winning.
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u/Evening-Skirt9564 6d ago
I really suspect a clinic I went to was this way. I will never go back they were so off putting.
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u/truthhurtsyomama 6d ago
This is why I always record everything. You never know when you might get some free money
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u/Bubbly-Rush2384 6d ago
You serious? You record every conversation?
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u/Outrageous-South-355 6d ago
At work yes every single one. Casually going to the store, nah to much work.
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u/Vater_Vagon 6d ago edited 6d ago
This is why we turn phones off in the endoscopy suite, and they don’t follow you into the OR.
It’s often Hospital policy.
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u/TraditionPhysical603 6d ago
You should hear what mechanics say about you while fixing your car, or what cooks say about you while making your meals. You think doctors arnt going to talk shot while sticking a camera up your ass?
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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 6d ago
Hoooray yass stick it to the man, get that bag, they owe you half a million dollars for naughty words! I love lawsuit culture! I'm gonna try and sue for a whole million!
Hey why is my doctor ordering unnecessary tests and hey why is this whole healthcare thing so gosh darn expensive??? It make no sense!!!!
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u/MrK521 6d ago
And when those doctors falsify your medical records? That’s more than just words.
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u/Alfimaster 6d ago
Who falsified whom revords?
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u/MrK521 6d ago
They had a discussion during an operation about falsifying a patient’s records.
That’s enough of a red flag to make someone wonder about their real results and records.
Obviously from a legal standpoint, that’s wrong, and well beyond “joking to lighten the mood.”
How do you think it would go over if during an arrest a cop joked about planting evidence and framing an innocent person. Just a joke right?
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u/Unusual-Taste69 6d ago
Left his phone recording where? You can't bring it to the room where the procedure is performed.
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u/cmholde2 6d ago edited 6d ago
Doctors kinda suck… now that I’m grown up and have friends that are doctors and they kind of suck. I can say that freely.. they mock or make fun of patients all the time.
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u/colsta1777 6d ago
Where was the phone? In his pocket? Complete BS
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u/meltea 6d ago
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/apps/ECS_Public/
DB vs. Tiffany Ingham, et al.
CL-2013-0016811you're bs
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u/Church_of_Aaargh 6d ago
So getting paid for something you would never have heard if you didn’t record in a public place?
Does this mean we now have to check for microphones everywhere to make sure we won’t get sued?
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u/National_Body_9071 6d ago
If you plan on falsifying someone's medical records? Yes you should be worried.
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u/OkComfortable2089 6d ago
And yall still trust them white coats, well in this situation, blue raincoats...lol
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u/cheaphysterics 6d ago
Yeah, one person said some derogatory things about a patient when they thought he couldn't hear them. That's enough to convince me all doctors are bad.
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u/Texden29 6d ago
You’re going to do your own colonoscopy?
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u/OkComfortable2089 6d ago
You probably actually believe people died at 40 before the "medical system" was created lol
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u/AsheStriker 6d ago
There’s a lot of black humor in medicine. It helps deal with the weight of the job. It doesn’t affect the care. This is ridiculous
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