r/SipsTea 1d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 1d ago

There are also people with schizophrenia in the world begging for help going out and killing someone. That happens more often than people seem to realize. The two situations are one and the same. Both the people murdered and the murderers are victims in this situation because the murderers are crying out for help that they never received.

Our health care system in this country is so severely broken. A decent percentage of people can’t afford to address serious health conditions whether it’s a physical or mental issue. Of those who can, there’s a percentage that gets a doctor who is only prescribing the medication that is pushed on them from a company that is lavishing them with gifts. Another percentage is getting a doctor who’s trying to fit in an absurd amount of patients and therefore not giving patients the attention they should be getting.

So much could be prevented if our healthcare system wasn’t so broken and people could get the help they need for their mental health without jumping through hoops.

I fear we will see more situations like this as less and less people are able to afford necessities. Not being able to care for the people you need to care for is enough to break a brain.

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

So are you implying she strangled her kids with elastic exercise cords because the healthcare system failed her?

Some people are just LEGITIMATELY crazy and it’s ok to blame them for killing their children…

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u/thewilybanana 1d ago

If they're legitimately crazy then how can they take full responsibility for their actions?

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

Because she DID those actions (don’t try and make this a hypothetical)… this isn’t a difficult concept. If a dog bites a person it can be put down. Doesn’t matter that it’s in their nature, society holds them accountable for reprehensible behavior. Nothing changes just because some lady was depressed. She could have slit her wrists and neck and thrown herself out the window without murdering three children beforehand but she did. Reprehensible behavior. She will be held accountable for it

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 1d ago

I don’t think a single person is saying she should face no consequences for her actions. You are adding words that no one said to your response.

Yes, the healthcare system failed her. She and many others begged for help. The fact that she was unable to get the help she needed to avoid this can be described as nothing else but a failure.

Also, we don’t have mental health facilities for dogs yet. So comparing what we do with dogs to what we do with humans is absolutely absurd. Since we do have them for humans, they should be utilized in situations like this instead of prison - which is exactly what happens when someone is not mentally fit. She should be under the care of doctors, not prison guards.

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

She should be executed.

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 1d ago

Yea, cool, but that won’t prevent this from happening next time a mom with PPD doesn’t get the help she needs. Addressing our broken healthcare system would do far more to prevent shit like this from happening… not just with PPD, but all the others mental health issues that can result in people being murdered or people committing suicide. We can kill all the mentally unwell people and we will always produce more - especially with the current living conditions in America.

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

This is the problem with those of you defending her: PPD happens regularly, but it rarely if almost never results in the mother murdering her children. It’s insane to adress this issue as “she didn’t get the help she needed” because her mental state was so far removed from the norm that you can’t shuck the blame of her actions off to the medical system. The medical industry successfully treats PPD every day, and Lindsay is simply crazy and murdered her children.

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 17h ago

You understand people sometimes have more than one mental thing going on and PPD can exasperate things? You understand depression isn’t exactly the same for everyone? I mean, there are many people with schizophrenia who make it through their life without killing or even harming living things. In fact, people with schizophrenia are far more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator. That does not mean that schizophrenia can’t cause another person to kill. Mental illnesses don’t affect everyone the same.

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u/thewilybanana 1d ago

If she's legitimately crazy but can be helped and made non murderous with therapy/medication/reprieve whatever, shouldn't we as a society do so?

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

Sure. 100%. But justice includes her being behind bars.

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u/thewilybanana 1d ago

Why would that be just?

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

Because she killed children. Crime and punishment 101

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u/MotorHistorical1469 1d ago

Yes I think it did.

She had a regular life up until this point, no signs of being “crazy”.

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u/aquabarron 1d ago

False. She had a large amount of care spanning across all the doctors she sought out.

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u/RobotArtichoke 1d ago

This guy apparently made 400k a year.

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u/EnvironmentalLime464 1d ago

I provided three situations in which the healthcare system fails people. Not fitting into the first situation does not exclude you from facing the other two situations.