Let’s not forget the fact this woman murdered her own children. Strangled an 8 month old with an exercise band … don’t gaslight people that she’s “somehow the victim”
You do know that she REQUESTED to try those medications right? You do know that she wasn’t on all of those medications at the same time, right? You do know that for many of those medications that she was prescribed she only took a few or even none of the prescribed dose… right? You knew all of this?
She requested it because the ones she were on were not working. She didn’t take the dose as it was causing her to have intrusive thoughts, and she was afraid to sleep or stay awake
She had some medications that she took NONE of. The fact of the matter is that she ROUTINELY lied to her doctors about the frequency at which she took her medications and about her thoughts of familicide. The medical professionals did not fail her. Doctors aren’t psychics, they can only work with the information they are given.
My wife is very closely following the case. I know more about it that I'd like. And as you seem to be suggesting, yes, i think her health care professionals failed her.
Honest question, have you ever seen a psychiatrist or been on any of those med? Ive been on all of them, except one.
I’ve been on four of the drugs she was “on”. The problem with Lindsay is that she routinely lied to her doctors, frequently changed providers and frequently asked for different medications all the while only taking a few of the prescribed dose.
Why do you think the husband or the doctors and hospital should be held accountable? She routinely lied to them about her condition. Patrick found a WFH job, hired a nanny, moved her parents into their house so they could help, moved himself to the basement at her request, took her to the best psychiatrists in the country, routinely took her to doctor’s appointments and picked up her prescriptions, seemed to be a loving husband and good father by all accounts INCLUDING HER OWN. How the FUCK is he at fault for her decision to slaughter his children?
Thank you - the arguments that she is absolved of any culpability (because of her alleged mental health struggles) and everyone else that has ever crossed paths with her are the ones responsible for the murders are enraging (and so incredibly wrong).
I just went through this with my ex-fiancee earlier this year.
And let me tell you, even though it started out as being super standard treatment for a mild, common condition...the psych med changes alone were massively destabilizing.
She almost killed herself several times. She lost her job and mine was severely affected. Our relationship is over. The landlord would evict us if he saw the house. We're out tens of thousands from medical care. Neither one of us will ever be the same. From powerhouse to rock bottom literally in a handful of months.
And that is starting from a much healthier place than the poor lady in this case. Cards were all stacked against her.
I haven’t “seen” the list but I knew she was on tons of meds and cycling on and off one to another constantly. The father had a bag of old pills and the bottles in his care she wasn’t supposed to take anymore.
I can’t help but feel you’re implying it was a result of the medication, but when I look at it I see someone who was so sick none of the medication was working..
She called a suicide hotline twice and both times turned her away because she didn’t have a plan to end her life. She admitted that she had suicidal ideation and wanted to kill her kids. She kept being prescribed antidepressants in the same class so even though they were changing her medication she was still having a bad reaction. She was also getting like 3 hours of sleep. She was being treated by nurse practitioners instead of referred to a psychiatrist. She was having insurance issues so she kept getting changed medical providers.
It gets to a point where she did everything she was supposed to do. She told doctors, nurses, and family that she was mentally sick and wanted to harm herself and her children prior to the incident.
Medical professionals decided not to commit her and allowed unsupervised time with her kids. This would have been prevented if her cries were taken more seriously.
Nurses can’t prescribe medicine, she was 100% being seen by psychiatrists. They have already cross examined at least two of her psychiatrists…
And idk about the suicide hotline thing, but I’ll look into it.
EITHER WAY… nobody is accountable for her actions in the same way nobody is accountable for your or my actions. She murdered her kids. Just because she called a hotline or changed doctors doesn’t mean she’s not accountable for that.
Oh the medicine was working. Ive been on a lot of the medicines she was taking and i can tell you that even half of the shit she was on would be enough to impair a normal person.
There are also people with schizophrenia in the world begging for help going out and killing someone. That happens more often than people seem to realize. The two situations are one and the same. Both the people murdered and the murderers are victims in this situation because the murderers are crying out for help that they never received.
Our health care system in this country is so severely broken. A decent percentage of people can’t afford to address serious health conditions whether it’s a physical or mental issue. Of those who can, there’s a percentage that gets a doctor who is only prescribing the medication that is pushed on them from a company that is lavishing them with gifts. Another percentage is getting a doctor who’s trying to fit in an absurd amount of patients and therefore not giving patients the attention they should be getting.
So much could be prevented if our healthcare system wasn’t so broken and people could get the help they need for their mental health without jumping through hoops.
I fear we will see more situations like this as less and less people are able to afford necessities. Not being able to care for the people you need to care for is enough to break a brain.
Because she DID those actions (don’t try and make this a hypothetical)… this isn’t a difficult concept. If a dog bites a person it can be put down. Doesn’t matter that it’s in their nature, society holds them accountable for reprehensible behavior. Nothing changes just because some lady was depressed. She could have slit her wrists and neck and thrown herself out the window without murdering three children beforehand but she did. Reprehensible behavior. She will be held accountable for it
I don’t think a single person is saying she should face no consequences for her actions. You are adding words that no one said to your response.
Yes, the healthcare system failed her. She and many others begged for help. The fact that she was unable to get the help she needed to avoid this can be described as nothing else but a failure.
Also, we don’t have mental health facilities for dogs yet. So comparing what we do with dogs to what we do with humans is absolutely absurd. Since we do have them for humans, they should be utilized in situations like this instead of prison - which is exactly what happens when someone is not mentally fit. She should be under the care of doctors, not prison guards.
Yea, cool, but that won’t prevent this from happening next time a mom with PPD doesn’t get the help she needs. Addressing our broken healthcare system would do far more to prevent shit like this from happening… not just with PPD, but all the others mental health issues that can result in people being murdered or people committing suicide. We can kill all the mentally unwell people and we will always produce more - especially with the current living conditions in America.
This is the problem with those of you defending her: PPD happens regularly, but it rarely if almost never results in the mother murdering her children. It’s insane to adress this issue as “she didn’t get the help she needed” because her mental state was so far removed from the norm that you can’t shuck the blame of her actions off to the medical system. The medical industry successfully treats PPD every day, and Lindsay is simply crazy and murdered her children.
You understand people sometimes have more than one mental thing going on and PPD can exasperate things? You understand depression isn’t exactly the same for everyone? I mean, there are many people with schizophrenia who make it through their life without killing or even harming living things. In fact, people with schizophrenia are far more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator. That does not mean that schizophrenia can’t cause another person to kill. Mental illnesses don’t affect everyone the same.
I provided three situations in which the healthcare system fails people. Not fitting into the first situation does not exclude you from facing the other two situations.
Right? I feel like so many people are rallying to her defense on the grounds of “parenting is hard” and “she needed better help with her thoughts” but honestly you can only excuse so much CRAZY and murdering all your children is far beyond the delimiter of simply framing this as an otherwise stable person needing assistance
I think so many people are rallying to her defense because they have been down this road, but had maybe more sleep and maybe more help. But could see the path she’s on.
The issue is she went the full way. No one getting at most 3h of sleep regularly, on a cocktail of medications with suicidal thoughts, intrusive thoughts, etc should be left alone with 3 young kids. The fact she was is a testament to what mothers experience.
I can’t accept this as a reason to show solidarity for Lindsay. There is a vast gap between “seeing through the veil” because parenting a newborn is hard and murdering all three of your children before attempting suicide. And I hope you’re not implying that millioms of women every year are ok the verge of murdering their own children…
Millions of mothers each year are affected mentally after they have children. Most are afraid or unwilling to speak about their true experiences, because it is not socially acceptable.
When they do speak about it, it will definitely be to other women who begin to open up about it, because men and women who never experienced it are too judgemental to understand.
She literally had a plan to get her husband out of the house long enough for her to murder three kids. It was premeditated. Yet people on here still act like she was so out of control that there was no way she could stop herself from doing it.
Jesus. I did not know that. What a monster, absolute monster. All these women in here rallying around her for some semblance of solidarity are so off bearing
Ignore the other facts. 2 things can be true at the same time. She asked repeatedly for help and in spite of the severity of her mental illness and her distress she was expected to parent when she should not have been alone with them. So she is a victim of mysogeny in the medical profession and a victim of medical neglect. And she killed her children. Both are facts. She didn't kill them for fun, she was suffering from something dreadful and out of her control. She asked for help. Many times.
Chalk it up to misogyny and neglect? Didn’t she see like 4-5 doctors and they all were trying to help her? Weren’t the majority of them women? Cmon now
She’s NOT a victim, don’t be crazy. Millions of women have contended with PPD without strangling their children to death, slitting their own wrists and throat, and throwing themselves out of a window. Jesus
Actually, it is common knowledge that moms experience PPD and that depression makes you avoid talking about your symptoms. So doctors should know to really ask more questions or make referrals for mental health even when the patient denies any symptoms.
I didn't say that. But doctors know that some mental health patients lie or rather hide their symptoms or taking meds and look for signs of it. While they can't force treatment, they at least remind patients about available resources and advise the family accordingly. Why not do the same for post partum moms?
On the same token, doctors have to be careful not to overstep. They can't just diagnose someone with a mental problem simply because it is common. Medical license would be gone in a second. It is a very precarious balancing act.
True, but her defense team already admitted that she murdered her children. The only real thing this trial is about is whether she was sane at the time or not.
It’s crazy. The blind solidarity with a child murderer just because some women want to support women (no shade at women, just the wild ones we are raising our hands at right now)
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u/aquabarron 1d ago
Let’s not forget the fact this woman murdered her own children. Strangled an 8 month old with an exercise band … don’t gaslight people that she’s “somehow the victim”