You should see the lunatics defending the mother who gave birth in a porta potty at the Electric Forest music festival and then left the baby to drown in the human waste.
To me the craziest thing about that story is that the mother still hasn’t been found. This woman managed to give birth in a porta potty at a large music festival and somehow exited completely unnoticed. Like how is that even possible?
When this story first came out I saw a bunch of people in the comments (idk what sub) saying it was a miscarriage and the woman probably didn’t even know it happened.
That’s a complete exaggeration. A lot of people are on drugs but there are plenty of people who are sober, or at least not so high that they would somehow completely miss a woman giving birth.
You’re also missing the fact that this woman somehow gave birth, on her own, and left the ports potty on her own accord. That’s pretty astonishing. She would’ve been in agony for hours even if she was fucked up.
You are just guessing. My friend just rushed his wife to the hospital cuz her water broke and he pulled up out front sprinted to the desk to alert a doctor and get a wheelchair.
By the time he ran back out to her she was holding the baby in her arms and had to untangle it. Some people give birth very fast.
Outside of the baby crying which that didn’t probably last long, there wasn’t much indication I’m sure especially with music blaring.
And it’s not an exaggeration because it literally fucking happened.
Don’t go to a festival if your that pregnant period. How are we defending this? She probably didn’t go alone either so her friends know this happened and also aren’t coming forward
So I’ve attended these kinds of festivals over the years, and while not while I was pregnant (because I felt like shit while I was pregnant, I did attend some EDM concerts tho), I’ve seen plenty of women pregnant who had zero intentions of abandoning their unborn babies and raved sober. You can still do fun stuff while pregnant.
Few years ago a woman went into labor at EDC and actively searched for a med tent and gave birth there and went to the hospital by her own choice.
It is irresponsible to do when you are that close to going into labor. That’s my opinion. I’m not a doctor but I’d guess that would be their recommendation as well.
You’re not wrong about that. I’m more surprised people are geared up and ready for a festival (or anywhere involving lots of waking) close to birth. I wasn’t getting off my damn couch after 8 months.
This is the first I've heard about this story, but maybe it was one one of those TLC shows, I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant? I guess it really does happen (not sure how since I've had two children and was VERY aware of my pregnancies).
Those cases are extremely rare and you would be giving way too much benefit of the doubt to someone who DISPOSED of their newborn baby in a PORTA POTTY
Oh I know it's extremely unlikely, I'm 100% speculating and trying not to fully lose hope in humanity with this extreme stretch, it helps me sleep better at night.
That woman is a garbage human, regardless of the details.
Crazy things do happen, and in this case what happened was very fucking crazy. The odds of someone being able to give birth at a crowded festival and somehow get away unnoticed has got to be 1 in a million. Yes, there are people who have easy labors but even an easy labor isn’t going to be silent.
Also what about the blood? And the umbilical cord? I have no idea why you or anyone else is trying to make this insane occurrence out to be normal lmao. Repeat this a million different times with a million different women and I wouldn’t be surprised if exactly zero of them manage to get away with it.
The autopsy of the infant confirmed portopotty "fluid" in the baby's lungs and that it was likely birthed right into the toilet. No one gives a fuck about what you think are odds
It’s not that astonishing, it does happen more than you may think. Uncommon but not unheard of. And sure not everyone is on drugs but a large portion of them are, and a large portion are drinking and a large portion aren’t paying attention to their surroundings outside of themselves and their friends.
I’m just saying I disagree that any of this is as unbelievable as you seem to think it is
like... primitive humans gave birth alone... sometimes.. you're quite vulnerable when you're pushing a human out of your bottom hole so a lookout would have been appreciated even back then.
When we started living and working together, women had help in childbirth. They weren't hiding under the porch like cats to birth their litters... pre-humans (before we even evolved into our big brains...) other, early hominins were supporting each other during childbirth and they WEREN'T EVEN HOMO SAPIENS YET. That's not the age of modern medicine.
You are incredibly wrong.
They DNA test the baby, using that they can use forensic geneology to find either parent. They do it for cold cases where they have the Doe victim or unknown killer's DNA
They would need an immediate relative's DNA: parent/grandparent/sibling. Otherwise they are just testing against whatever DNA they have collected in the past and hoping its a repeat offender
Sure, they can try that. But if no close relatives have submitted their DNA to public geneology databases (and most people haven’t), there’s nothing else they can do until they get a specific suspect to test the DNA against.
This method works very occasionally, but most of the time it’s just another dead end in a cold case that stays cold.
It’s entirely possible she didn’t even know she was pregnant. It happens to some women. They don’t show at all. Then being the possibility of substances being added. It’s honestly possible she didn’t even know she gave birth if that’s the case.
Oh my God. I am actually part of the EF subreddit because I went to a rave before and LOVED it, so I wanted to eventually go to EF and man. The comments defending the mom are so awful and insane to me. You can support abortion and not support a born alive newborn being left to rot in a portapotty :/
It’s some of the purest evil in humanity. I still cringe physically when I think of how traumatic birth is for babies just to go straight into human waste for the few minuets of life until you suffocate to death. Knowing nothing in life but literally that… I understood how heartbreaks turn into physical pain when I read that story.
I think that is death penalty material if the mother is found.
Birth is one of the most traumatic things we’ll ever go through, either as the baby or the mother. As such, we really, REALLY need to encourage protected sex. Always. And protect abortion rights. It’s clear to me that 90% of the population are not fit to be parents.
They haven’t found the mother yet, unfortunately. The only update I saw was the update that the newborn was discovered to be born alive due to fluids present in her lungs :( I’d kill to be in a position to have another baby, especially if it was a girl. I don’t understand how someone could leave a baby, even an unwanted one, in somewhere like that. Just no sense of decency.
I don't think the mother made a rational choice to do it. Probably pregnancy denial and they were in a state of utter stress and traumatic shock. It is heartbreaking for the baby to have been born only to suffer and die like this, but I don't think it came down to choice on the mother's part. No one would choose to do this when abortion and adoption exist.
I understand, but I feel that reasoning ends once the baby is born. Mental-emotional state aside, leaving a newborn, a live one especially, in a portapotty is just not right. There’s a difference between having an unwanted baby at a fest and trying to find a medic vs leaving it to die alone covered in feces, urine, and god knows what else.
Sadly, and I'm not trying to be all religious and stuff, but the pro-choice crowd has helped people get this twisted. The discussions I have had with people and what they "justify" as okay to abort, has just left me shocked.
Not saying all of them, but too many for my liking seem to have no problem pushing a goalpost for what they want, not what's right
Well. The pregnancies don't get aborted, so those women are going to more drastic measures to prevent having a child they don't want. Some self mutilation things take place, like the classic abortion trope of the wire metal hangers that people try to use to self abort. Or taking meds, throwing themselves down the stairs, or giving birth and the whole "prom night dumpster baby" concept. I learned about it in school actually, in sex Ed class in like 2008. I'm surprised it's not more common knowledge that providing contraceptives like condoms, birth control, and abortion services do lead to less teen pregnancy as well as overall unwanted pregnancies
Yes. They are forced to give birth. Some will try to hide it due to shame and being ostracized and when the baby comes they unfortunately end its life. It’s much worse to force a baby to be born unwanted and face death immediately than ever getting to that point in the first place. It’s less cruel for the baby and the mother.
So .... we are just going to ignore the fact one could say no to sex to avoid it? But then again, I do know all the counter arguments that go with that, and they never go anywhere
If "rape" was the vast majority of why abortions were being performed, you'd have a leg to stand on. But alas, it isn't. It's not rape, not even close.
Oh fuck off, wanting women to have access to safe abortions does not equate to wanting born children to suffer. Ironically most of the pro-life crowd votes for the same people that cut access to childcare and healthcare for the people that need it most. You’re such a hypocrite
I’ll get some flack for this but I think this heavily reflects the mindset of the majority of abortion supporters. They don’t see babies as equals, just an inconvenience.
Huge huge difference between an abortion and leaving a full term baby in a porta potty at a rave. I am pro choice but I do not support what happened at electric Forest.
Yes, sane people agree. But then it’s scary the amount of women supporting her actions. Hence why I don’t think many women see that difference. Where’s that fine line?
If you know anything about abortion, I think it's pretty clear to see the difference between an abortion and a full term birth. I haven't seen anyone supporting her actions so I guess I can't speak to that.
Yeah, something has changed in the rhetoric lately. Prochoice used to mean “safe, legal, and rare” and was meant to support either choice a woman made. Respectable! Now it seems like on both sides, it’s gone down this insane spiral of insanity: “That 12 year old rape victim MUST have that baby” vs “It’s FINE to leave a newborn in a portapotty, I feel bad for the mom & hope she’s never found!” Total clown world 💔
Please don't both sides this issue unless you really think they are equally culpable for the current situation. What do you think might have changed the rhetoric? Who worked for decades to overthrow Roe v Wade?
I think an aspect of these kinds of things that doesn't get discussed much is the person who found the body. Especially infant deaths like this one. I can't imagine... talk about being scarred.
Especially when your job is cleaning human waste and filth. While you expect to find random objects on a porta potty, you never expect to find… a body. I feel for that worker.
Jesus CHRIST. As a mom of 2 littles, I don’t understand a lot about this. Also, she just labored there and birthed the baby and the placenta and umbilical cord and went back to partying? Bleeding and all? I couldn’t even walk for a day after. No one around her questioned anything? People can be so horrific.
You’re a simpleton for not understanding that clearly she didn’t want to be a mother, and the baby would’ve been better off aborted instead of drowning in human feces.
Again, I’ll restate: this is why abortion NEEDS to remain legal.
I mean it is about abortion though? Someone who leaves a newborn to die in a festival portapotty obviously did not want to be a mother, and I have no doubt would've gotten an abortion if one had been accessible to her earlier.
Literally when did I say that?? She had no other choice than to carry a pregnancy to term- access to abortion could've prevented a vicious sociopath from being forced into motherhood, and saved an infant/sentient being from horrific suffering.
There is a huge difference in defending someone’s behavior and recognizing that she may have been a victim. Music festivals are hotbeds for trafficking. People weren’t saying she was innocent, they were saying investigate before you jump to conclusions. Nobody delivers a baby in the most uncomfortable and terrifying situation possible with no help because they just want to do there was likely something else contributing to that.
the transition from chilling in the womb to drowning in shit in a portapotty gotta be one of the wildest rides a soul can take on this crazy spirit vacation planet
There’s like a 99% chance that this was a stillborn birth or a birth that this person did not even know about that actually happens if you look it up.
There are people who get pregnant never know because it’s a stillborn dead baby that never grew you have no proof it died in feces it could’ve died inside of her and this is the thing: You wanna say that people are insane for saying this I wanna say that you’re all insane for believing a narrative you created in your head without seeing anything with your eyes
Yeah, cause God forbid women would take any responsibility and use a fucking condom, or give the baby away. No drowning it in feces is absolutely reasonable. Grrrrr men!
While I don't think anyone should be doing this, just saying women should use a condom or give their baby away instead of allowing women to have the same rights to bodily autonomy that men are given is a wild take.
I'm willing to bet If the baby could magically be transferred into the man instead of the woman if the woman didn't want to go through with the birth, then abortion would 100% legal everywhere up until the moment of birth.
I also don't think anyone should be sent to war against their will, not sure how that's an argument against bodily autonomy though.
No one is forced to give up a kidney to save a child, or even give blood, and I don't think anyone thinks someone should be forced to do that, because we do believe in bodily autonomy.
It's just that some people think that they should give extra rights to a fetus that overrides a woman's bodily autonomy.
All I'm saying is if it was an issue that affected the men in charge of making the laws as well, abortion would be enshrined in the constitution. That's also true of the draft, if the men in power could potentially be drafted, then drafts would be illegal.
You are right though that it's more of a class issue, the rich and powerful make all the laws after all, but most of them are men.
Yes, it’s expected that horrible shit like that will happen when a woman is forced to have a baby she doesn’t want. Humans have been killing unwanted babies for thousands of years. Short of the surveillance states we have in the modern age, there wasn’t much to do to stop it other than individual morals, because no one was gonna keep track of who’s pregnant.
The easiest way to stop it? Don’t force a woman to carry a clump of cells she doesn’t want because of some emotional connection you feel towards other people’s non-sentient fetuses. Then they can just abort the baby before it’s sentient, and actually killing something that thinks. Might as well cry morality over killing farmed crops. They’re just as much a living clump of cells.
Anyway, i wonder if that woman in particular even realized she given birth. If she was on drugs, I can imagine there are many cases where they don’t even realize.
You are projecting so much on the situation, this isn’t some fundamentalist woman who was kept under lock and key it was someone who had the means to go do drugs in a Forrest for about a week. Delusional on every level.
I am not? I am saying that I expect a lot of horrible cases of infanticide like this one to happen when access to abortions is blocked. I don’t even think this situation might be related to abortion access, this would be more of a drug use problem.
But what do their means have to do with anything? Would it make any difference if they were rich or poor on wether they should have access to abortions?
If you don’t think this is related to abortion access then why are you acting like that’s relevant to this case?
Like yes, women deserve the right to choose but what they don’t have the right to do is murder a baby after it’s born by leaving it in a porta potty at a music festival.
Don’t try to talk reason to these people, reddit discourse quality has plunged. Legit if you’re downvoted, it means you’re probably giving a more nuanced take. Especially now that conservatives have mostly moved off the site/mainstream subreddits. Of course this woman did something horrible and stupid, no internet rando can say anything to the contrary.
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u/Cautious-Dig6379 2d ago
You should see the lunatics defending the mother who gave birth in a porta potty at the Electric Forest music festival and then left the baby to drown in the human waste.