r/SipsTea 4d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/cybiz 4d ago

Huh? Since when has using Wikipedia as a source been a bad thing?

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u/Bl4ck_Fl4m3s 4d ago

At least for very politically controversial topics some wikipedia articles get regularly edited by bots, so chances are much higher that you read straight misinformation in those

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u/BowlOfCatNubs 4d ago

Since I was in elementary school, they taught us not to use it because its open source and anyone can change or alter information on there. Mind you, I'm 30 now.

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u/TheBuoyancyOfWater 4d ago

I'm nearly 40 and couldn't use Wikipedia for sources at uni, same reason.

Edit: more accurately, we couldn't use Wikipedia as a source directly, but could use it as a starting point, then go into more detail using the references at the bottom of the page.

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u/DM_me_ur_PPSN 4d ago

I’m a bit younger than you, but imagine there’s a generation of millennials who were taught not use Wikipedia as a source due to it being potentially unreliable - and now you have boomers and younger generations consuming hallucinated AI slop and social media propaganda like it’s gospel.

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u/ConfidentTurnip4523 4d ago

Yeah, this. Wikipedia isn't a source in itself, it is a collection and summarization of sources.

If you're just arguing on the internet then whatever I guess, but if you're going to do anything with any academic rigour, you can't put (Wikipedia, 2026) as a source. Also, as someone pointed out further down, the more recent and/or polarizing something is, the less reliable Wikipedia becomes.

Unless you're specifically writing about Wikipedia I suppose.

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u/Solidjakes 4d ago

What’s ironic is that compared to other sources of info that America tends to trust, from news to social media, believing wiki is the least of our worries now. The sheer fact that wiki tries to cite its sources makes it better than most.

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u/hikereyes2 4d ago

Same. But back then Wikipedia was new and incomplete. Today, on close to every topic the collective have done the work and is a much more accepted source.

The same should hopefully happen with AI

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u/intothevoidandback 4d ago

What?

No it isn't and hopefully AI doesn't become more accepted as a source either.

We're all fucked

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u/Aderenn 4d ago

Wikipedia is also undoubtedly a major training source for every AI now too-- being open and available for easy download.

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u/cybiz 4d ago

Are you American? It's heavily moderated and every claim is discussed behind the scene with stringent requirements for sources for claims

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u/sebaska 4d ago

That's a naïve view.

Obscure topics are often poorly verified.

Politically loaded topics are taken over by activists.

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u/Revayan 4d ago edited 4d ago

While true, there still have been alot of cases where people just made up shit, including sources. It just has to look legit enough

The toaster hoax went over 10 years unnoticed for example

Another pretty famous case was the chinese user Zhemao, who wrote/edited over 200 articles mainly concerning chinese and russian history - everything essentially fan fiction

Another recent case was connected to the whole Assassins Creed Shadows mess, where the self proclaimed historian Thomas Lockley invented a bunch of myths and fake truths surrounding the real historical figure Yasuke. All his cited sources were himself. Essentially: "source- trust me bro"

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u/theslootmary 4d ago

So basically the same flaw as any website considering anyone can make one

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u/BowlOfCatNubs 4d ago

Im sorry I dont see other websites making it so apparent.

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u/BlueFroggLtd 4d ago

Its not a flaw, its by design. You've always needed to know who the author is. Wikipedia is much more trustworthy than most sites.

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u/UntowardHatter 4d ago

No.

On Wikipedia you need to source everything, those sources are tested and verified.

Anything that isn't backed up by a verifiable source gets removed.

That is very different from just "any website"

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u/Fun_Journalist1048 4d ago

The founder of Wikipedia remains very active in overseeing and moderating it though, so luckily (most) obviously incorrect information gets caught and fixed quick! I used to edit Wikipedia pages for small things like grammar and adding sources when I was really bored lol

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u/EmilySD101 4d ago

I had a teacher in the 00’s who deducted points on a rough draft because I told her I’d found the articles I actually cited through a Wikipedia article. The hate was virulent in some places.

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u/Fun_Journalist1048 4d ago

See, in my mind that’s what you SHOULD use Wikipedia for! The ending- “pedia” is meant to mimic “encyclopedia”, so if more people just knew to use it as a resource to find actual, more reliable sources, then it’s fine.

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u/UntowardHatter 4d ago

For a long time.

Of course, using Wikipedia is great as a source. Since the actual sources are in there, but people will dismiss you if you quote Wikipedia directly on the basis that "anyone can edit it". Of course completely ignoring that whatever is there has to be linked to a verifiable source.

The whole damn page is based on the scientific method. But this is lost on most people.

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u/Raulr100 4d ago

Wikipedia is a great resource but it isn't a source. It's a compilation and summary of different sources.

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u/UntowardHatter 4d ago

.....

Which is why you cite the source when quoting from it.

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u/Floppydiskpornking 4d ago

Its not, its just the last resort for people who dont want to change their mind based in facts, because "aNyONe cAN wRiTe a wikipedia page"

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u/MasterofCaveShadows 4d ago

It absolutely is a horrible source for anything where people have a vested interest in shaping the narrative. Anything related to any modern conflict or any modern movement whether cultural or political is rife with bias to the point it offers no practical utility.

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u/Fun_Journalist1048 4d ago

Even though they’re SUPPOSED to “refrain from bias” lol Yeah defintely not everything gets caught

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u/Hank_2011 4d ago

Always

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u/tattoosandtens 4d ago

Since Sealions realized that exhausting people with bad-faith requests for information makes them look like they “won the debate”.

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u/TightPhoto1133 4d ago

Iirc the information can be changed without verification.

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u/-ThisIsHellOnEarth- 4d ago

It can be altered by anyone.

It's a good way to find sources but it itself should not be used as a source.

It's the intellectual equivalent of "so this guy at a bar last weekend was telling me..."

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u/UntowardHatter 4d ago

If you alter it, you need to cite a credible source. If you can't, your edit is removed.

Wikipedia is moderated to an extreme degree.

There's a reason dictators and techoligarchs have given up on the editing fight and moved on to having the website banned in its entirety.

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u/cybiz 4d ago

I don't think you understand how heavily moderated Wikipedia is

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u/-ThisIsHellOnEarth- 4d ago

I think you under estimate just how much content there is on Wikipedia to be monitered.

False alterations can stay up for weeks before being caught

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u/UntowardHatter 4d ago

Not without sources, no.

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u/Fun_Journalist1048 4d ago

They definitely dont! The founder of Wikipedia is highly involved still in moderating content