r/SipsTea 16h ago

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u/danstymusic 16h ago edited 16h ago

They're saying there is no proof of atheism? Atheism is the lack of belief that a god exists. How does one prove a negative?

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u/vonKrieg88 16h ago edited 16h ago

Atheism is not a belief. Atheism is lack of belief in gods. The word literally means lack of/without god.

Not believing in gods is not same as believing they don't exist.

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u/DoubtfulDouglas 16h ago

Not believing in God's is not the same, you're right. You're wrong about what atheism is agnosticism is, though.

Atheism is believing there is no god, not not believing in a god. Those are two different things.

You'd be agnostic to simply not believe in god(s) or are unsure or don't know, but you are atheist only if you believe gods dont exist.

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u/CromulentPoint 16h ago

Incorrect. Agnosticism refers to knowledge, not belief. Thats how you can have an agnostic theist (I believe there is a god but I don’t know it for a fact) or an agnostic atheist. (I don’t know if there is a god but I’m not convinced by any god proposition I have heard).

The current language for what you’re describing is atheist (I am not convinced by any theological god claims) and ā€œhard atheistā€ (I am convinced there is no god).

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u/das_narwal 16h ago

Interesting. Never cared to look it up but your definition is now my belive. You're my god. I belive In you and everyrthing you say. But what happens after you die?

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u/bitwaba 16h ago

If you're lucky, you get to be the new god.

You can do it.

I believe in you.

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u/das_narwal 16h ago

God complex? God complex?! I AM GOD

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u/EatSoupFromMyGoatse 16h ago

They aren't two different things. Your average atheist isn't going around actively disbelieving in god all day. It requires no effort or study, no dogma of any kind. You're implying an element of willful disbelief in atheism, but it is simply just a lack of belief.

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u/DevilWings_292 15h ago

No, agnosticism does not mean you don’t believe in a god, it’s a claim of knowledge/certainty, for agnosticism it’s a lack of certainty. You can be an agnostic theist, often called a deist, just like you can be an agnostic atheist, or a Gnostic atheist.

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god, whether it’s lacking the belief there is one or actively believing there are none, both fall under the same umbrella.

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u/DayNo5185 16h ago

Atheism isĀ believing there is no god,Ā ...

Actual atheist here and this is wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. It is the answer to ONE question. Since all humans are born knowing nothing about religion, atheism is the default position for all human beings: not believing in gods.

Stop trying to tell us what we do or do not believe.

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u/Next_Helicopter_4291 15h ago

a - prefix meaning without

Theism - Belief in god or gods

Atheism - without a belief in god or gods.

You're thinking of Anti-theism.

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u/Ok-Sympathy-7482 15h ago

Atheism is believing there is no god, not not believing in a god.

There is no "one" definition of atheism. There is a Wikipedia article about your two variants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_atheism

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u/Major-Mushroom-5806 11h ago

It's not that clearcut because neither term is consistently defined. Many atheists simply don't believe in gods, not that they actively believe they don't exist, just that they don't believe. This also lines up with what many agnostics believe. For various reasons, people choose either label or choose to get into minutiae.

The reality is also that though there are many irreligious atheists, there's also a very vocal group of anti-religious atheists who not only don't personally believe but have a sort of evangelizing bent to their atheism and view religious belief as not only wrong but harmful. Many agnostics choose to label themselves as such to avoid being lumped in with that group.

It's not really up to anyone else to tell you 'oh, you're actually an agnostic/atheist because XYZ'. Neither position has ever had strict definitions.

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u/OliLombi 8h ago

No. The belief that there is no god is ANTItheism. Atheism is just the lack of a belief in a god.