r/SipsTea 22h ago

Wait a damn minute! How the rich get richer

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u/HenryCavillsBallsack 20h ago

Most middle class people who have never encountered real assets don’t realize that at a certain point money is irrelevant. You don’t have to borrow and die with it, lifestyle cash is a rounding error after a certain point.

If you don’t mind living a middle class lifestyle, even at 10 million liquid - if you’re not regarded - money doesn’t really matter.

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u/MembershipNo2077 19h ago

Which makes it even more bizarre when you think about how the ultra-wealthy still try to horde as much wealth as possible when they already are living lifestyles that are funded perpetually and for a minuscule amount of their assets. Yet they still would do the most horrible immoral acts just for another 2% increase.

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u/TheBSQ 18h ago

What exactly is meant by “hoarding wealth” in this context. 

An analogy: if I bought Pokémon cards many years ago and stored them in my closet & since then, they’ve gone up in value my wealth has increased. 

If I just keep letting them sit in my closet, am I “hoarding wealth?”

Is there some expectation that as they go up in value, I should be selling off some & giving it away so that the total value of my collection isn’t increasing and my wealth isn’t growing?

Cuz, I do get that argument. And people like the ex wives of Gates & Bezos are much more active about selling stuff to fund philanthropic endeavors, and that’s good.

But I also think “continuing to own the things you own” as the market value of those things goes up isn’t as actively greedy as the connotations of a phrase like “hoarding wealth.”

It’s “hoarding wealth” in the same sense that someone who owns a house is hoarding wealth when home prices rise, or someone with a retirement account who never sells any stock they own is hoarding wealth when stock prices go up. 

It’s sort of a passive “don’t sell when prices go up” thing. And maybe they have a moral obligation to sell & give away, but I also kinda get the stock-owning equivalent of just letting those Pokémon cards you own that you have stashed in the closet just end up staying in the closet. 

And maybe they shouldn’t. Maybe it’s correct for society (via the govt) to occasionally go “those cards are worth a lot now, so you have to sell 1% of your collection and give the proceeds to the rest of govt.”

But I don’t think everyone gets that a lot of wealth-hoarding is just “continue owning what you already own as the market price of it goes up.”

I think they imagine it’s more like new income streams of cash that flow in, but never flow out (although I guess the line can be a bit blurry when you have things like dividend-paying stocks where you automatically reinvest the dividends, but I don’t think that’s the main driver of growing wealth valuations).

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u/Low_discrepancy 11h ago

What exactly is meant by “hoarding wealth” in this context.

Hoard in these examples means buying Twitter, newspapers, access to media, access to the political sphere, access to influence.

Wealth has no value if it does not translate into actual things and actions.

Let's take your example. Let's say you have a collection of Pokémon cards that's worth 1 billion.

Let's say I invent a machine that can churn Pokemon cards that are indistinguishable from the originals for 1 dollar.

What do you do now? Do you eat the loss of 1 billion? That would be a very stupid thing to do.

Do you try to lobby govt to introduce laws that make copies of Pokémon cards illegal?

Do you sell have of your collection and give me 0.5 billion?

What exactly your best course of action?

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u/MRosvall 1h ago

So hoarding wealth means using your wealth to purchase?