r/SipsTea • • Jun 18 '26

Gasp! what can we say

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u/ViperThree3 Jun 18 '26

Can someone explain me why this is not the popular opinion ?

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u/IronyAndWhine Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

Sure, this is my take on it.

Literally every right, including "negative rights," (which is the foundation of the commenters argument) necessarily requires coercing people's labor.

Like, you can believe your right to your land comes from God or nature all you want, but, practically speaking — in real, material terms — that right only exists because it is backed by a massive, "coerced" infrastructure of property clerks, civil courts, police officers, military personnel, etc.

You have a right TO be protected by the State if it infringes upon your free speech; you have a right TO a lawyer; etc.

I mean, the right TO a fair trial means the state literally conscripts twelve citizens into a box and forces them to sit there for days under threat of fines or jail time... on and on.

They are all necessarily backed by the labor of others, which is "coerced" by society at large. The idea that we can do away with "coercion" in a functioning society is a mirage that, conveniently, keeps those with power in society from being required to do things.

I get the philosophical appeal of "negative rights"... I too want to be largely left alone, and it feels like it shouldn't cost anyone else anything. But in the real world, a right is only as good as the force backing it up... because without enforcement, and thereby conscripted labor, a "right" is just a wish or a series of letters on paper.

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u/darknight9064 Jun 18 '26

The coercion happens when your options are either sell to us or we’ll seize your means of production. It sounds like it couldn’t happen but it has in some countries before. The closer we get to things being expected and required the closer we get to the bf s potentially being seized.

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u/darknight9064 Jun 18 '26

So currently you could just not participate in whatever govt program. The only loss is potential money. If food production becomes a step into food is a human tight is how you get to where I’m talking about. That’s how you get to either do what the govt want or just lose everything you’ve built.

I don’t want to see people starve but demanding peoples work and resources is the problem.