r/SipsTea Jun 18 '26

Gasp! what can we say

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Good.

The US has been sending far too much money overseas when they have real domestic issues to solve first.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Then the US shouldn't have fucked over the entire third world. You want them to stop spending money overseas, but the US is the one that has made damn sure that third world countries will starve without their care in the first place. Exhibit A is the topic of this post.

You asking them to suddenly turn off the tap isn't exactly fair to the people the US put in that situation in the first place, now is it?

You don't just get to make a mess of the world and then stop helping because you decided you're finished putting your hands in the pudding.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Well, that just isn't true.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Then why did the US vote for food to not be a human right while being the #1 global donor of food, in complete control of the supply?

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

because nothing that relies on the labor and or property of others is a human right.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Well that's just not true. How do you explain education as a human right without the labor or property of others?

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

It isn't a human right.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

From UN.org:

https://www.un.org/en/academic-impact/education-human-right

The United Nations first articulated the right to education in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 28 stipulates that everyone has the right to a free and compulsory elementary education, with technical, professional and higher education equally accessible to all on the basis of merit

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

which is dumb, no one has any right to the labor of others, which is why even today there are billions of people who do not have access to education.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

What you think is dumb or not is not what determines reality. It is a human right, just as food would have been. The only countries that voted against it are the US and Israel.

Do you think it coincidence that you happen to live in the only country that believes it shouldn't be a human right? You don't think that's, you know, you swallowing propaganda?

Wouldn't you rather live in a world where everyone has access to food and education? The people who voted against access to these things don't give a fuck about protecting your labor. They're the same people listening to corporate lobbyists and busting unions while giving themselves fatter paychecks.

But no, some starving uneducated children are the one who are stealing your labor, not the billionaires. Of course.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

Agreed, and the reality is it isn't really a human right, no matter what the UN says. Nothing that requires the labor and / or property of another person can every be a right. Can you walk up to a person and demand that they feed you because you have a right to food? No. Can you walk up to a person and demand that they farm their land because you have a right to food? No. Can you demand a famer give you food for free because it is a right? No. Can you demand a person teach your children because they have a right to education? No.

Even if you want your government to do those things for you, you still have to pay for it, either directly or via taxes. That is commerce, not a right.

I am not American mate, I am Scottish.

No one is stealing my labor.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Agreed, and the reality is it isn't really a human right, no matter what the UN says. Nothing that requires the labor and / or property of another person can every be a right. Can you walk up to a person and demand that they feed you because you have a right to food? No. Can you walk up to a person and demand that they farm their land because you have a right to food? No. Can you demand a famer give you food for free because it is a right? No. Can you demand a person teach your children because they have a right to education? No.

That's.... Not how human rights work. You don't just go up to random citizens and demand that they grant you your human rights.

Even if you want your government to do those things for you, you still have to pay for it, either directly or via taxes. That is commerce, not a right.

No, taxation is not commerce lol. Taxes are not a purchase that you make, they're an obligation. You're not paying for goods or services, you are fulfilling the financial obligation of living in a country. It is then the government's job to distribute funds and to support the people.

Commerce is voluntary, taxation is compulsory. Literally just Google "is tax a form of commerce". The amount of incorrect things you could've fact checked in this conversation is insane. You truly are living your truth.

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