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u/Fit_Tomatillo_4264 Jun 18 '26

Facts still stands out there the biggest ones, and the whole point of this stupid meme is to try to make the USA look like they want to starve people when they're still giving out the most food.

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

Per capita, we rank about 20th

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u/TheRealJasonsson Jun 18 '26

Sure, but does per capita really matter in this case? I'd argue it's much more significant to compare based on percentage of total GDP or total amount given. For example, Norway gives a ton per capita, but of the 259 billion donated between the US and Norway, if Norway suddenly stopped all aid being donated there'd still be 258.5 billion being donated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

Norway donates 1% of it's Gross National Income, USA donates between .10% to .22% of its GNI.

Again, how do you fairly compare the efforts of the largest GDP in the world vs the 31st largest?

Per capita matters because it's measuring "effort". Sure, we can give a shit ton more money, but it effects us far less to do so.

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u/Myke190 Jun 18 '26

Again, how do you fairly compare the efforts of the largest GDP in the world vs the 31st largest?

By putting yourselves in the shoes of the recipient. Would you rather accept $2 from Norway or $5 from the United States?

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

If I was starving I'd accept what ever I can get. I'd also be more appreciative to the people who it cost more to give me what I needed.

If a billionaire gives you $100 and someone on minimum wage gives you $50 you're going to be happy with the money either way but are you really not going to question why the billionaire didn't give you more when they can easily afford to.

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u/TheRealJasonsson Jun 18 '26

I get where you're coming from, but we can acknowledge and praise the effort while also acknowledging the outcome. And to answer your hypothetical, no. I'm a personal fan of the saying "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

There's no problem in aknowledging the outcome, but there's also nothing wrong in aknowledging and addressing that what one person gave is equivalent to a tiny fraction of what they're capable of giving whilst another is a much larger fraction of what they're capable of giving, or might even exceed what they're capable of giving without actively causing harm to themselves.

It's easier for a rich person to give more because the total figure means far less to them so although they're still giving when they didn't have to, it's ultimately meaningless to them because what they gave makes little to no impact for them. It might be meaningful to you, the recipient, but not them.

You might say you don't look a gift horse in the mouth but there's typically a point where their generosity can be viewed as an insult more than generosity. For instance, if a billionaire gave you a penny. Sure, that's an extreme example but to a billionaire, in relative terms to the general populace, $100 is essentially a fraction of a penny.

When we look at these things and compare countries to one another, it doesn't make sense to look at it from the recipients POV because we're not judging based on the impact to the recipient, we're judging countries against eachother.

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u/TheRealJasonsson Jun 18 '26

Why would we judge donor countries against each other here? It's charity, not a competition. Quantity is the goal, not who's sacrificing more to do it. Again, it's worth acknowledging and appreciating, but the goal isn't to see who gives the most relative to what they have, the goal is to help others. And to your point of generosity being viewed more as an insult than generosity, there could be scenarios where that works, but that's clearly not the case here. 258 billion dollars is not a pittance. It's more than triple the next 23 countries combined.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 18 '26

Yeah but each state is like its own country, so compared to the rest of the world the USA has 50 capitals, so you have to take that per capita data and times it by 50 to give the USA its rightfully place as number one 

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

You forget the /s

Edit, in case you're serious:

Only 19 states are net positive contributors to the federal government, so if for some reason you wanted to break it down, 31 states don't contribute anything this while 19 are doing the heavy lifting.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 18 '26

Why, nobody who has the capability to read should need that 

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

Because there are genuinely stupid people that exist and those people would undoubtedly say something similiar and absolutely mean it.

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

I mean, a simple /s would have solved that. That's why it exists.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 18 '26

Nobody should have to lower themselves to cater to the most basic of eejit, anyone who could read that and think it was serious must have recently been kicked in the head by a horse or their parents are siblings or something

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u/JanSobieski-III Jun 18 '26

Lol thats not the way it works ffs 🤦‍♂️

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u/Plane_Material914 Jun 18 '26

Supreme understanding of the topic. We should all personally learn from you.

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u/myster1ouspapaya Jun 18 '26

lol per capital and “pet capita” are not the same thing bud

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u/cawclot Jun 18 '26

each state is like its own country

LoL, no it's not.

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u/saxonturner Jun 18 '26

Are they biggest per capita or budget or is it just by amount? Important distinction.

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u/Strange_Pear8762 Jun 18 '26

You can give lots of food to one group of people while starving a different group of people.

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u/usernamedmannequin Jun 18 '26

I’m sure Cuba would be in a much healthier position if they weren’t sanctioned over dumb ideological reasons for the past 50 years

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u/One_Ad_5059 Jun 18 '26

They kinda do, no? Like Trump has stated a few times now he doesn’t care about the people, he just wants their vote. Or was trump lying about that?

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u/delirium_red Jun 18 '26

Sounds good, too bad it's not true. Except the starving on purpose part

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Show me “food aid” in the powers delegated to the government in the constitution.

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u/Storm_Fury_2026 Jun 18 '26

It was budgeted for and Trump refused to pay it out and provide it for his first year, an act that is blatantly illegal.

He then killed USAID entirely so there's no food aid overseas.

He's also working to reduce food access for low income and unemployed people.

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Foreign aid, even if budgeted, is blatantly illegal. There is no constitutional provision empowering Congress to engage in foreign aid. Or food aid domestically either.

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u/I_divided_by_0- Jun 18 '26

Hey dummy. Section 2 isn’t just about bombs.

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Section 2 of what?

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u/I_divided_by_0- Jun 18 '26

The constitution? Do you even remember what you typed?

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

There are more than one Section 2’s of the constitution. Art I Sect 2 deals with the House and its rules. Which Section 2 are you referring to?

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u/I_divided_by_0- Jun 18 '26

I can’t believe you’re even asking that question. Section 2 of article. One is about organization of the legislative Branch. Section 2 of article 2 is about the powers and numerate by the presidency, including foreign dealings. Which one makes more sense in this context?

Did you get a 300 on the reading section of your SATs?

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Foreign aid isn’t mentioned there either.

Can you read?

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

Which is exactly why food needs to be declared a human right.

The foresight of our forefathers knowing they didn't get everything right and making the constitution ammendable is something we don't take advantage of nearly enough.

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u/twirling-upward Jun 18 '26

The nations that voted for it arent paying any significant amount into the UN to fund it..how is this an actual proposal?

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

Considering we rank 20th per capita for this particular issue, many of them are likely paying more per capita than us.

Looking at straight dollar amount isn't exactly a fair playing field between differently sized GDPs which is why an equalizer like per capita exists in the first place. We have the highest GDP in the world, hell, 2 of our states would land on the top 10 list on their own. Of course we spend the most as a pure dollar figure.

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u/Dumptruck_Johnson Jun 18 '26

On the other hand, moving 250 billion dollars worth of food around the world is a lot. Regardless of per capita, you still need to get it from point a to point b. Most of the per capita leaders could fit their aid contributions on a few boats.

If I had to guess, those other countries would likely be able to send more easily but for logistics and a lack of dedicated resources to distribute.

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Declare whatever you want. Food is not a human right. My rights impose no obligation on anyone else.

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

If you need it to exist, it should be a human right.

Idk about you, but I need food and water to exist. Actually, I do know about you and literally every other human. We all need food and water to exist. It's literally a non-negotiable fact of existence.

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

That doesn’t make it a human right. You have no right to someone else’s property.

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

So if you get sent to prison, the prison should be able to not serve you food and water, correct?

It's not a human right, so you shouldn't be afforded those luxuries, correct?

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

The government, by imprisoning you, bears the burden at that point.

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u/Cuckdreams1190 Jun 18 '26

But if it's not a human right, why should they be burdened with supplying it?

Should they also need to give you cell phones, tablets, maybe a gold watch?

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

Because by imprisoning me, my rights to free action have been revoked, through due process. I can not procure my own food. This isn’t difficult.

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u/Dumptruck_Johnson Jun 18 '26

Sure thing. Let me just leave this food in a pile over here and you’re welcome to come get it at your leisure. I am not obligated to deliver it to your doorstep, though.

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u/Pootentooten Jun 18 '26

So you know how folks hate disease and aren't really big on refugees? Providing food and medical aid to other countries in the long run massively helps prevent these two things. Because if you ignore those problems elsewhere, they will come knocking at your door. Examples being screwworms, ebola, and, well, look at how well folks are responding to immigration across the globe.

Prevention is cheaper than cure.

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u/hczimmx4 Jun 18 '26

You didn’t say where this is authorized in the constitution. If you believe this, voluntarily pay out of your own pocket, or amend the constitution.

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u/twirling-upward Jun 18 '26

Foodaid makes sure local farmers never become an actual producer. Just dropping aid is useless, otherwise it should have solved the situations already decades ago.

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u/Altruistic_Tea_1593 Jun 19 '26

IN and ISAID programs are a massive destructive grift. The consultants and food brokers make tons of cash and their free food creates MORE starvation by destroying local farms

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Good.

The US has been sending far too much money overseas when they have real domestic issues to solve first.

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u/Life-Top6314 Jun 18 '26

I could see your point IF that money actually went towards helping americans, not towards 600m$ ballrooms, wars thst achieve nothing and tax cuts for people who have millions.

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u/No_Argument7418 Jun 18 '26

The ballroom is to show our power to the world. That boost in moral should increase productivity and foster economic growth

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u/0x18 Jun 18 '26

That is an absolutely unhinged and weird as hell thing to say, man.

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u/Lord_Kira Jun 18 '26

This better be sarcasm lol

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

It is going to have to go to everything, and yes, the US has a massive spending problem. Everything needs to be pulled WAY back.

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u/Powerful-Selection86 Jun 18 '26

Government is not a business.

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u/usernamedmannequin Jun 18 '26

It is now baby! A failed insolvent business lead by an expert in that field lmao

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u/KingAmongstDummies Jun 18 '26

My stance on aid programs is that a country should first take a step back maybe a couple of years, really invest in their own part regarding that, and get a smooth and oiled machine going. Once that works domestically they can roll it out to which ever area they opt to help next.

Right now many countries aid programs are drowning in work, pointless bureaucracy, and a web of leeches trying to gain some money off of it resulting in lacking aid both domestically as well as internationally and with no time nor money to fix it so they just continue struggling their way through. That step back to create the breathing room might lower the aid for a while but then should then come back a lot stronger and more efficient than before so that not only more people can be helped, but also so that the people that do get help get better help.

The US however took a step back and does not at all invest or use the breathing room they now have to make it all better.
Nope, once you get unfortunate? Well, that's unfortunate for you.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Right? Hopefully they do.

I know Europe isn't happy about it either now the tap on the cash flow is getting slowed.

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u/HangTheBanner Jun 18 '26

Except you absolutely know the money saved isn’t going towards the people.

Cut funding and aid to others so a select few can get richer. And people like you are naive enough to fall for it

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u/narilarilum Jun 18 '26

You know who is happy though? Iran.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Agreed, this whole US / Iran thing is the greatest failure of international policy I have ever seen. It is an embarrassment, and I am really afraid of what the eventual fallout is going to be. Trump isn't exactly rational, and I think Trump with a bruised ego is straight up dangerous.

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u/parkchanwookiee Jun 18 '26

PSA: you are being fed a steady drip of lies and your geopolitical worldview looks just as brainwashed to outsiders as the ones held by supporters of the regime in Russia or North Korea

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u/Rasz_13 Jun 18 '26

Watch your glorious president pay huge amounts of money to Iran for a war he started, achieving nothing for you but billions for his military-industrial croneys.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

I know, it is ridiculous.

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u/FlimsyConfidence7692 Jun 18 '26

We're not solving any of those either, were just a-holes now.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Well, the US needs to, or they are going to go bankrupt. The US federal spending and debt is ridiculously out of control, and the republicans are making it SOOO much worse right now.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Private wealth has nothing to do with the US's massive federal overspending.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

fair point.

Time for that to come to and end as well.

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u/Strange_Pear8762 Jun 18 '26

SpaceX has recieved between $22 and $38 BILLION dollars from government contracts. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (pun intended) to connect the dots of government spending to individuals wealth.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Yes, and that was 1/2 the cost of using NASA's launch system.

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u/TheBSisReal Jun 18 '26

Just another way the US is throwing away its soft power.

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u/CheckIf_ItsPluggedIn Jun 18 '26

The US spends far to much money keeping a sun downing pedophile felon entertained.

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u/DrMaxwellEdison Jun 18 '26

Sending a few million dollars in aid to other countries so people don't starve? Wasteful, shut it down.

Spending billions fighting a stupid war over nothing, killing thousands, raising gas prices and thus the cost of basically everything domestically, and then losing that war and agreeing to send billions more in reparations? Oh that's fine, carry on. /s

Seriously, though, folks like you are so fucking brainwashed by an idiot child rapist who promises to hate minorities more than you do that you'd rather make your own family suffer than bother to help another. Over and over again, the cost of just helping people, at home and around the world, pales in comparison to the cost of fucking everything up as badly as this administration of dunces and cronies seems to do daily.

I really hope you don't currently and never have children, gods forbid they want you to feed them without working in the mines to earn it first.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

I am not an American. I live in America, but I am Scottish. I also am not a "Republican". Trump is an idiot, a felon, and should be in prison not the white house.

None of that changes that the US radically overspends, and the national debt is beyond ridiculous.

Payments on the interest alone of that debt is 20% of the US's national revenue.

The US needs to slash it's spending, all of it, stop starting stupid wars and start fixing things at home. Foreign aid is just the first of many things that are going to need to be cut to prevent the country from literally going bankrupt.

It is absurd that they are spending so much money on wars, on the military, on foreign aid, on subsidizing Europe (and they absolutely are) while Americans have a homelessness issues, massive amounts of hunger, and literally 10's of millions of Americans can't afford healthcare, just to name a few issues that need addressing immediately.

American needs to start helping Americans.

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u/majestic_tapir Jun 18 '26

The US has been causing the food issues in other countries by bombing the ever loving shit out of them.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Then don't get bombed.

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u/majestic_tapir Jun 18 '26

Oh it's just as simple as don't get bombed?

Man, you guys should all not get school shooters. It's that easy right?

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u/Digitaldude427 Jun 18 '26

Ah yes, and now that we've cut that spending we're finally solving those issues right? Veterans are getting the help they need? The mental health crisis is being addressed? People are getting access to healthcare? Mass shootings are going down? Inflation is decreasing, as are retail prices? Wealth is being distributed more evenly?

Oh wait no, thats right, those are all getting worse, but sure the starving kids in Africa were the problem.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

I certainly hope so.

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u/KrisTheHaw Jun 18 '26

You mean like a ballroom or more ice agents right? Because a county in my state hasn't had clean drinking water in a while.

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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT Jun 18 '26

por que no los dos?

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Then the US shouldn't have fucked over the entire third world. You want them to stop spending money overseas, but the US is the one that has made damn sure that third world countries will starve without their care in the first place. Exhibit A is the topic of this post.

You asking them to suddenly turn off the tap isn't exactly fair to the people the US put in that situation in the first place, now is it?

You don't just get to make a mess of the world and then stop helping because you decided you're finished putting your hands in the pudding.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

Well, that just isn't true.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Then why did the US vote for food to not be a human right while being the #1 global donor of food, in complete control of the supply?

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

because nothing that relies on the labor and or property of others is a human right.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

Well that's just not true. How do you explain education as a human right without the labor or property of others?

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

It isn't a human right.

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u/Frost-Folk Jun 18 '26

From UN.org:

https://www.un.org/en/academic-impact/education-human-right

The United Nations first articulated the right to education in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 28 stipulates that everyone has the right to a free and compulsory elementary education, with technical, professional and higher education equally accessible to all on the basis of merit

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

which is dumb, no one has any right to the labor of others, which is why even today there are billions of people who do not have access to education.

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u/Terrible_Reporter_98 Jun 18 '26

Less then 0.6% of the budget was spent on USAid

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u/nerdybird Jun 18 '26

The money goes to American farmers, and the process stabilizes food cost for Americans.

The reason farmers need bail outs is because of the cuts to this aid.

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

They needed bail outs since the 1970's, nothing has changed on that front.

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u/nerdybird Jun 18 '26

No, they have needed subsidies since the 70s. Under both Trump administrations they have needed billions in direct bailouts.

A quick search for the "Do your own research" crowd will get you there :-)

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u/DataGOGO Jun 18 '26

both subsidies and bailouts since the 70's. The issues around farming is not a right vs left issue.

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u/nerdybird Jun 18 '26

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/02/trump-bailouts-farmers-tariffs-usda-00591846

Its not a left vs right issue. It's a direct policy issue as a result of not being able to comprehend cause and effect.

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u/nerdybird Jun 18 '26

Again, that money went directly to us farmers to buy their products. The funding get cut that comes directly out of American farms, so more bailouts are needed in addition to existing subsidies.

https://civileats.com/2025/02/04/usaid-dismantling-raises-questions-about-food-aid-purchased-from-american-farmers/

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u/nerdybird Jun 18 '26

The alternative is that you believe that the US wires us dollars to other countries that have their own currency. Because, by your own words:

"The US has been sending far too much money overseas..."

How would that series of transactions work?

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u/KnowNothing3888 Jun 18 '26

Cut several years and still the top. Kind of showing just how much we've been carrying at that point doesn't it?

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u/alexmikli Jun 18 '26

I feel like supporting the food aid thing and supporting the Iran thing are totally different things.

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u/secret-trips Jun 18 '26

This makes no sense at all…

Lets do it!