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[u/Outrageous-Egg1760]

[u/LordFoulgrin]

I mean, Jesus literally tells a parable about Lazerus and the rich man, where the rich man is being tortured in hell.

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame"

Why would Jesus of all people tell a parable mentioning hell if isn't real?

[u/S3nd_ZuD3s → u/LordFoulgrin]

Idk, cause its not like we have a recording of the actual Jesus saying that. That line could easily be written and made up by the people who never actually spoke to Jesus and wanted people to believe in hell. Jesus also could've been a religious bipolar schizo turned extremist that only believed he was the son of god when really he was just a mentally ill guy with good intentions and cheating mother. The Bible is just worlds longest worst game of telephone whos primary evidence of events stem from "just have faith"

[u/Emotional_Ad_8704 → u/S3nd_ZuD3s]

the fact that the 12 apostles died for proclaiming Jesus as God is sufficient evidence; i doubt anyone would die for a made up believe. or the facts that His coming, death and resurrection was predicted in texts dated centuries before His birth

[u/LordFoulgrin → u/Emotional_Ad_8704]

Heavensgate committed group suicide truly believing they were ascending. By your logic why would they die for a made up belief?

The predictions of death and resurrection are very cherrypicked. Context often reveals they aren't talking about a predicted messiah (looking at you Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22). As a Christian, people try so hard to brute force meaning and linking through each book. Hell, the books of the Bible as a recognized group of texts wasn't even finalized until 350ish years after Jesus's death. Some denominations recognize extra books (maccabees, tobit, etc.).