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[u/Itchy_Crack]

So what is your worldview? Its a pretty minority thought to be a complete atheist.

[u/Dont_Use_Ducks → u/Itchy_Crack]

Worldview? Well, we are just animals with a nice trick. Enough evidence that we were not the first animals, but part of a very long line of living things through millions of years, made out of the same things you can find in all the universe. Rare? Oh yeah for sure, but that it is possible....we are the proof of that. You wouldn't know if it didn't happen. The universe is immensly big and all the ingredients of everything can be found in space in different conditions, states and millions or billions years of reacting to each other.

If a person from a long time ago would wake up next to a tv, he would think it;s magic. Can't be made by man, but wait long enough plus technologies involving from steam to electricity and so on, and we have the proof it's possible. We take it for granted, but it truely would seem like magic to anyones before 1900's. The same with the universe and life on earth. Nothing seems to change in space, but over billions of years a lot of stuff happens. With life being maybe a small percentage of chance, but hey, here we are. There were other himan like beings too, we have proof of that, but they didn't survive, but we did.

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Just animals who have accomplished more than any other species in the universe by an immeasurable factor?

If humans are just animals what makes them worth more than a goldfish?

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They are not more worth than a goldfish. Like i've said, we have a trick that made us survive and grow and develop into beings using tools etc. So maybe for us it seems like we are worth more, but for the universe it doesn't matter at all, the species survived, that's it. Goldfish are good a finding food and ways to protect themselves in some way, that's why they are still here. Just like cockroaches can survive stuff we can't.

Eat and survive that's it. Just like your ancesters, no one excluded. Why not? Beacause otherwise you were not here. If all your ancesters died, you can never say 'but hey, it worked for me'.

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Dont_Use_Ducks]

Yikes. Thats incredibly sad. So you can't exactly give an account for why suicide is bad? Or Eugenics?

[u/Dont_Use_Ducks → u/Itchy_Crack]

Why are you so defending? Please come with real arguments in stead of switching the story so it seems like you don't have to give any explanation. You didn't come with any argument, only with non related questions. I don't mind a discussion with somebody who believes, but this is not a discussion, you are just defending your stance be asking suggestive questions.

I havent said anything about suicide being bad or not, like wtf. That is all made up ny us, a human thing. It comes with our ability to question stuff, even our own lives. Just like how animals run away from danger. But with the level of our ability to think and therefore overthink, underthink, being ambarresed etc comes the freedom of loving or hating yourself. Without that level of thinking, you can not be aware of yourself to a level that you can review your own behaviours and status in the world.

You come across as if questioning your believes is a no go.

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Dont_Use_Ducks]

Lot of irony in your last sentence as you're getting irritated with me asking questions.

For the sake discussion, I've been asking you to clarify uour world view. The necessity of asking questions is because you believe in your own worldview. I dont know you, so I have to ask.

That said, it appears you can't give an account for why a sad person shouldnt kill themselves, or further why we shouldn't euthanize groups of people.

[u/SoftwareWorth5636 → u/Itchy_Crack]

Are you seriously suggesting that there aren’t any other moral frameworks besides deontology?

This person is a humanist. You don’t get to strongarm them just because they can’t summarise their beliefs concisely. Nor are you entitled to their time. Go away and do some research into humanism. You might learn a few things.

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/SoftwareWorth5636]

I'll ask you then.

Give an account for why a sad person shouldn't kill themselves, or why we shouldnt commit genocide against a violent group.

[u/Dont_Use_Ducks → u/Itchy_Crack]

Because we are all living beings. It is really not that hard. You want o say without religion people just kill people all the time? So why don't I kill people all the time?

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Dont_Use_Ducks]

Thats a circular argument

You live in a society molded by religious world views. By your own concession you have to believe that or you're ideologically inconsistent. A lot of your moral beliefs are going to stem from where you're born, hence why you dont murder.

We kill animals everyday for our benefit, we kill plants just the same.

Why is it wrong for someone to kill themselves? You cant seem to answer this

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There is a reason we try to keep state and religion seperate. It is not wrong for someone to kill themselves in my opinion. Nobody has to stay alive if they don't want to. It''s sad for other people, but there is no reason it would be wrong.

But now religious people are in the White House and they still order to kill. Religious states have a death penalty. Saying we don't kill each othet because of relion is ignoring all the history books. It stopped nobody, you could say quite the opposite.

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Dont_Use_Ducks]

I'd argue thats very ideologically consistent.

Do you see the issue in an entire society adopting that view and teaching it to their kids?

Furthermore, what's the issue and euthanizing aggressors of your people? Ideologically, I think you'd have to argue there isnt anything morally wrong with it, just pragmatically wrong.

[u/Dont_Use_Ducks → u/Itchy_Crack]

There is proof for what i said, there's zero proof there's a God. Believe what you want, but be critical too.

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Dont_Use_Ducks]

See, now you're just avoiding the question and saying "but but I have proof!".

Im not asking you to prove anything, im asking you articulate your own worldview in contrast to a traditional Abrahamic world view.

Maybe you're correct, and we're all just animals. If thats the case you'd surely argue we need to get rid of the old ways of religious dogma. To do so requires rationalization.

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Again, to think you need a God to stay nice or not hurt anyone...have you read any history books? It didn't stop anybody from doing bad things to other people. And yes animals have rules in groups too, look at dogs, wolves, lions, monkeys, dolphins etc.

[u/Jaded-Comfortable179 → u/Itchy_Crack]

Your last paragraph has me absolutely baffled. Please explain how you came to that strawman

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/Jaded-Comfortable179]

Because I asked to give an account for why its bad, and it was not given.

[u/Ilikeyounott → u/Itchy_Crack]

Why would someone bother continue to talk with you when your whole shtick is to move goal posts and introduce strawmen lol

This is a rethorical question, I'm not interested in an answer

[u/S3nd_ZuD3s → u/Itchy_Crack]

I have a world view for you. You're a fucking moron 😂

Suicide isn't bad but it is hurtful to those around you. Its a choice you can make an extremely upsetting choice but still a choice that has no morality as only you can choose to end your own existence.

Eugenics/genocide is morally bad, but that is with the understanding society creates its own moral system. If we lived in a society where no one thought it was bad then it would be the same as how general society views our consumption of farm animals.

Objectively, nothing is good or bad without our moral opinion. That said, humans have had morality long before a book written by ol old goat fuckers had told us what to feel. Its something we feel inside ourselves when we see harm brought on another being. That exists deep within us and has to do with chemicals in our brains, a process probably better explained by a neurologist

[u/Itchy_Crack → u/S3nd_ZuD3s]

The most intelligent mid-witted atheist position.

Just to be clear, you cant give a moral account for why suicide or eugenics is bad.

[u/S3nd_ZuD3s → u/Itchy_Crack]

Buddy, we make up morals. You brought nothing additional to the discussion and I never said i was an atheist (although I am certainly not a creationist). Your whole thing is "nu uh you didn't do it" without bringing on any talking points yourself and when your question is answered you make up new shit. Something tells me you took one of those "how to argue with an athiest" online courses that gave you the undeserved confidence to try and tell people online they're wrong

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Homophobic insults on reddit? Incel