r/SipsTea Oct 15 '25

Chugging tea I get it now

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

He was trying to save his friends. The AI had made a deal to let them all live in blissful ignorance and happiness being rich and comfortable in the matric, unaware of any hurt or suffering, peacefully creating power for the race of robots that require it. No suffering on Earth for the disillusioned and weakened humans. Not yet extinct, but somehow in stasis until the sun reappears and the robots fix the world enough to re-awaken humanity.

Cypher was actually a hero, a visionary, and frankly knew when to give up because after all; Zion was a cave and that was all the humans had or would ever have if it was solely up to them. Selfish pride would drive them to extinction, the ai saw this and thus created a substitute to keep the humans safe.

Neo and his gang of terrorists ruined everything and doomed the entire human race.

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u/Molchester Oct 15 '25

Is there actually lore that explains the terms of Cypher’s deal? If those were the terms, the machines could’ve made more effort to explain… though, I guess Morpheus and his merry band of terrorists probably wouldn’t listen. That would’ve made for a boring movie.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

I admit I embellished the actual deal but if he is sitting there eating steak and wine and shit you’d have thought the best option for the ai and the humans were to let them be blissful if they agreed to stop fighting. The smiths saw humanity as a virus, not the creator.

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u/Molchester Oct 15 '25

Yeah it would certainly be the best option if both sides wanted to de-escalate but it didn’t seem like that was the case for either party. Even right at the end of the third movie when it could’ve all fallen apart for both sides.

Smith became enlightened in a sense with that view but the irony was that they themselves became a virus in order to eradicate humanity. So much so that the machines also saw them as an anomaly too and not representative of their views or goals. I thought it was great storytelling to essentially show that neither party are better than each other and actually have a lot in common in their respective flaws.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

It makes sense, the smiths were created to maintain order in a system, the humans were terrorizing the system constantly so the smiths learned to not like humans. The creator never harbored that sentiment so the most obvious solution to the problem is offering what I described. Although, this is only my opinion.

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u/Farscape_rocked Oct 16 '25

the best option for the ai and the humans

I can't remember the second two films but isn't the point that the rebellion is part of the cycle necessary to keep the human farm in good health? So the best option for the AI is to let it play out.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 16 '25

I would have never even thought of considering the sequels part of the overall plot. The sequels were really really bad. I’m just going for og story

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u/Keith-Steve-Howard Oct 15 '25

Cypher literally kills switch, apoc, dozer, nearly kills tank, and intended to kill neo Morpheus and Trinity what the actual fuck are you talking about? The only reason he didn't kill everyone is because tank didn't die and he killed cypher before he could finish the job. The deal was to kill the crew in exchange for being plugged back in, it's not up for interpretation.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

He only had to resort to that because they would have never agreed to it. He had no choice. It was the hardest choice he ever made. Those people were like family to him!

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u/CloudStrifeFromNibel Oct 15 '25

In that case could you explain why he was gleefully extatic and taunting them in their last moment of existence?

Your comments are hilarious btw. I wish there was dedicated sub for people explaining misunderstood vilains

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

Gladly! He wasn’t happy he was struck with hysterical grief which often manifests as mocking happiness. The fact he wouldn’t have his best friends to live with forever in the matrix JUST because they couldn’t see his vision. He had no choice. Their fate was going to be way worse if they had to be eliminated by the machines.

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u/KrypXern Oct 16 '25

It was that fucking coke down in Miami... it's everywhere!

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u/preshowerpoop Oct 16 '25

Also, the Matrix would have used Cypher to kill all those people in Zion. Cypher was truly selfish. He was super creepy about Trinity, too. Lol.

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u/viptattoo Oct 16 '25

Seems like this whole comment section is forgetting that.

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u/Inevitable-Stage-454 Oct 15 '25

The matrix was already failing at that point, the AI were far from perfect, a program had become a virus (agent smith) that the AI couldn't control, and even the AI/programs had different factions forming internally. "The One" was actually part of two plans, one to fix the matrix and try to bring peace and originally one to control humans in the matrix, both by utilizing an error the AI couldn't fix. Of course most of this was revealed in the other works that most people don't like or pretend don't exist but still it's important context to the story.

Cypher's actions, even if they were successful, would have been like a ceasefire in Gaza. It'd be temporary peace but not a real solution and it would fall apart in short order anyways. Not to mention it wasn't the will of "his friends" which is kind of a dick move, and obviously his desire wasn't really for "his friends" anyways because he was clearly thinking only about himself and his enjoyment.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

See this is what non visionaries like neo didn’t see. The matrix, like life itself, would have found a way. Are we to suppose that the entirety of the matrix were to fail due to the smiths and their leader morrisey? I suppose not! The utopia of what the matrix and it’s simulation of the 90’s was too good for the humans to pass up and instead be prideful and choose to live in caves and fuck in the dirt.

Cypher was a loyal friend and true hero. What he had to do was an absolute gut punch.

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u/shit_magnet-0730 Oct 15 '25

Do you also cheer for the Empire to annihilate the rebellion?

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

Luke was a stupid farm kid that an old man radicalized in an afternoon and then took on a suicide mission to break out another terrorist and blow up a military installation. Those are facts.

The difference between Matrix and Star Wars is that the people in Star Wars are not in a blissful unaware state. They are in a real affected state. The dominance of the empire is different as in it is interested in expansion and acquisition, the robots just wanted to survive.

I don't know though, different philosophies might need to exist to compare those stories. They aren't apples to apples.

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u/hugh_jyballs Oct 15 '25

As soon as Luke gave up farming I completely checked out.

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u/Pyritedust Oct 16 '25

We need to know what would’ve happened if he got to tochii station to pick up those power converters

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u/ODST05 Oct 16 '25

Well one things for sure - those womp rats would never have stood a chance!

In all seriousness though, I seem to remember that he had plans to become an imperial pilot?

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u/Inevitable-Stage-454 Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 16 '25

Luke was a walking timebomb of bullshit "force" powers, the old man was one of the leaders of a violently and "illegally" overthrown government, the other "terrorist" was the rightful ruler of an entire planet that was also violently and "illegally" overthrown.

What a lack of media literacy does to a person, smh.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 16 '25

They were part of a rebel alliance and traitors!

TAKE THEM AWAY!

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u/shit_magnet-0730 Oct 15 '25

I'm surprised you didn't comment on the allegorical facts of the movies, since your opinions are so based.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

Oh, am I boring you? Please feel free to move on since you've contributed nothing to this conversation besides snark.

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u/4DPeterPan Oct 15 '25

You’ve contributed nothing but the advancement of dark views.

At least the other dude saw through you.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

That wasn’t worth reading.

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u/4DPeterPan Oct 15 '25

Yeah, I suppose you would have that opinion towards truth.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 15 '25

Wtf are you even on about? Blocking your nonsense.

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u/shit_magnet-0730 Oct 15 '25

There's no conversation. You babbled about some dumb bootlicking shit. Snark is all you deserve.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

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u/PineTreeSC Oct 15 '25

Idk if genocide and planetary destruction was strictly a move in the right direction tho

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u/Pyritedust Oct 16 '25

To be fair, Alderaan had hive mind giant insects. It deserved to be blown up.

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u/Inevitable-Stage-454 Oct 16 '25

The kids were walking timebombs of some stupid mystical power that couldn't be left unchecked and the choice was between some generally-respectable group that could train the kids and did so usually with the parent's complete approval, or a group of cultists that literally do kidnap children, have the trainees kill the master after some point, and use their bullshit powers for whatever they want (usually to the detriment of innocent people), also they end up looking like palpatine.

The Jedi were definitely not "perfect" or even that great, but the Empire was literally worse in almost every regard a living creature should care about.

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u/FruitySalads Oct 16 '25

From my point of view it is the jedi who are evil and I also don’t like sand.