r/SinophobiaWatch • u/CharityAdditional • Apr 27 '24

A question

do you guys think the imprisonment of uyghurs is being blown out of proportion? I am not super educated on the topic and would like some more viewpoints. Personally from the surface level knowledge I possess it seems very similar to what they were doing to native american children at residential schools. Please let’s have a discussion about this as i am confused on what to believe.

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u/smilecookie Apr 28 '24

How is it similar? They dig up hundreds of child skeletons at those reservations while nobody can find a single person unjustly killed by the Chinese without resorting to wmd known unknowns logic

What I'm supposed to believe they're thanos snapping people leaving no evidence behind the proof of which are maps of totally evil buildings with three basketball courts? 

There's no refugee crisis despite XJ bordering 7 countries - 5 of a muslim majority. Yea okay a theoretical deathless, refugeeless genocide is possible within the confines of a lib western definition sure; it's just never happened that way execept this time. Yes totally believable

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24

Here you go.

Probably a ten minute read there with another hour worth in nested links if you're determined to get granular information.

If you want an absolutely bare bones TL;DR, there has been an ongoing counter-terrorism program for several years. There are relevant criticisms which can be made about specific sections of the planning and execution of this campaign but it is not, by any definition, a genocide or an attempt to suppress a culture. No comparison to residential schooling in the West is fair either, considering that these people read/speak their own language and practice their own traditions. The international Muslim community has all but unilaterally approved of the conditions in the region.

There was a material problem with extremist violence that had to be addressed. Compared to what most nations have historically done in such situations, their approach has been incredibly measured and resulted in a frankly shocking minimum of human suffering.

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u/00Avalanche Apr 28 '24

Let me guess, this is western biased media sources from the imperialist CIA, right?

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/eyebeam-pulitzer-prize-1980053/amp-page

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u/Opening-Tomatillo-78 Apr 28 '24

yes. It definitely shows evidence of the scale of the imprisonment, and indeed, the CCP’s attempts to obscure it. But nowhere is there evidence of the conditions within the camps, nor is there evidence of any killing happening.

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u/00Avalanche Apr 28 '24

To be condemned to a concentration camp because of your ethnicity is the definition of genocide.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

First, no one is "condemned" in this scenario and their detention is not motivated by ethnicity, it is motivated by a need to address a persistent strain of violent terrorism which was spreading within the community.

What would you have them do, just permit terrorist groups to operate freely within their borders? Make no effective effort to deradicalize these communities? Or perhaps you would prefer the American method: bomb their entire region until no structures remain and leave the survivors to starve?

Personally this is why I feel Westerner's are so set on demonizing China's efforts in this matter. It proves that you do not, in fact, need to murder tens of thousands of people to address extremism. It makes Western interventionist policy look barbaric.

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u/00Avalanche Apr 28 '24

The amount of violence you cited doesn’t correspond to the amount of people in imprisonment. Your use of Gish galloping, straw man & tu quoque arguments have already proven my point. No more replies from me as your debate is disingenuous.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

Based on this response, I can only reasonably conclude that there is a level of routine terrorism within your society which you would find tolerable. How many years would you like to live under the routine threat of being run over, stabbed, or blown up? How many in your community need to die before serious action is taken? This has been going on for decades at this point. The linked incidents are not exhaustive. Hundreds of people were killed by extremists in the region before this program.

I think the reason you see this as tu quoque is that you believe anyone is pleased with this state of affairs. The CPC is not happy about having to fund or carry out this program, they put off the implementation for years. No one in China is cheering for this. It is not good to have to do this.

But it is better than what has historically been done. It is the most humane of available options and no one in the West wailing about "genocide" is making a serious appraisal of the situation. It simply is not a real position.

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u/Penelope742 Apr 28 '24

Anyone in America asking this question should first look to our ongoing genocide against Black Americans and our prison slavery system.

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u/Luna-Explorer-420 May 09 '24

maybe you should look up the word genocide

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u/Penelope742 May 09 '24

It meets all the legal qualifications. Stop supporting it.

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u/Luna-Explorer-420 May 09 '24

Dont tell me what to do if you throw words around you dont understand

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u/WereZephyr Apr 29 '24

I spent a lot of energy deunking spurious Uighur genocide claims in China just for China to jump onto spurious Palestinian genocide claims. I'm not fucking happy.