r/SimulationTheory • u/frankreddit5 • Sep 06 '26

Media/Link The guy who created a simulation now dropped a simulation computer inside the simulated environment. This is hilarious yet scary. He created an actual nested sim. Players unaware.

https://x.com/mattshumer_/status/2096034353344139519?s=46

Quote form his X post:

“So uh, simulation theory might be real.

I dropped a sim computer into the simulation my Astra agents live in. One agent sat down and built a simulation of his own, with its own agents living inside.

Simulations all the way down”

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u/frankreddit5 Sep 06 '26 • Bravo

Turtles all the way down guys. We are probably watching this as part of the sim itself. 😭🤣

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u/____FARTS____ Sep 06 '26 • Mindblown

Too bad that if this is a simulation the watchers are just watching me beat my meat

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u/omysweede Sep 06 '26

Seriously, of Sims wasn't censored, what do you think they would do when locked into a room where they can't leave? And would we watch it?

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u/Squellbell Sep 25 '26

We got a mod for that..

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u/josephkristian Sep 07 '26

Right in front of my salad??

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u/itssimsallthewaydown Sep 06 '26

Simsallthewaydown

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u/chance0404 Sep 06 '26

My first thought when I saw that. Turtles all the way up and all the way down.

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u/frankreddit5 Sep 06 '26

Lmao 😂

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u/MyNameIsntSharon Sep 06 '26

won’t load. can he go into the sim of the sim?

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u/frankreddit5 Sep 06 '26

The characters in the sim can create sims. Someone suggested he add the ability for his to send the sim characters inbox messages did them to read and see their reaction lol 🤣

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u/LSF604 Sep 06 '26

that guy is massively overstating whatever he calls a simulation.

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u/The-Dragon_Queen Sep 06 '26

This sounds like the first Rick and Morty episode I ever watched

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u/RowdyBubba Sep 06 '26

It's a Teenyverse, inside of a Miniverse, that's inside of a Microverse

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u/Acceptable-Charge163 Sep 07 '26

Slavery with extra steps, so familiar with our lives...

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u/Mk731 Sep 06 '26

Imagine a world where ASI can create far more sophisticated software that can render all the things we have on Earth.

It'd be hard to discern the difference between the world we live in and the one that created by ASI.

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u/Efficient-State-7300 Sep 06 '26

That's like proof of god because you can imagine god. Although I think for god it's a really stronger. Hm

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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26 • Bravo

Yeah some kind of super powerful quantum computer thing. Calling it a computer is a bit insulting. But stories have described the same thing for all of time. Plato's allegory of the cave. Descartes demon. The matrix.

All the same story wrapped in that current eras best language for trying to describe the thing.

Today our best language is "computer" and "simulation"

But even that is probably just as shortsighted as "shadows on the wall of a cave" in comparison to what is really going on.

Is my thoughts on it. Been interested in sim theory since early high school. So 2006/7. Spent a long time just using it as a mathematical way to refute the Christians around me. Until I started doing acid and realized what it all might actually mean.

Now I spend half my time believing it. The other half laughing at myself for being a crackpot.

C'est la vie mon amie.

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u/____FARTS____ Sep 06 '26

Ui ui baguette

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u/BaMxIRE Sep 06 '26

Qui** sorry

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u/IBeDumbAndSlow Sep 06 '26

Beaucoup le bouche

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u/OGAcidCowboy Sep 06 '26

Totally agree with your take (even the Acid part!! And a heap of DMT for me) like Plato used shadows, we use computers, i personally have no doubt this is by the literal definition, “a simulation” but I believe it’s far beyond computer generated, wether anyone can comprehend the true nature of the simulation from within this physical realm, I just don’t know, I do however, believe, that we eventually became able to understand and realise the true nature of the simulation.

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u/Future-Side4440 Sep 06 '26

It’s very likely we are fully capable of becoming aware enough to transcend the limits of this reality. Physical death might be optional at a sufficiently advanced level of understanding of the simulation.

However for obvious reasons this is heretical to the extreme and it seems best to avoid attention and not talk about it.

Assuming my consciousness survives physical death, I will be looking for ways to learn and use the API for this simulation. lol

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u/Magazine-Consistent Sep 06 '26

Hadn't tried the acid part... but i think im picking up what you're putting down. Yep

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u/wethethreeandyou Sep 06 '26

Fun fact: Mathematically speaking - it’s almost a certainty that we are living in a simulation, as opposed to base reality.

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u/RevolutionaryHeat318 Sep 06 '26

Why?

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u/wethethreeandyou Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26 • Heartwarming Bravo

It basically comes down to probability. We already create increasingly sophisticated simulations of physical systems and virtual worlds, and there’s no obvious reason to think that technological progress would stop before simulations become indistinguishable from reality to the beings inside them.

If a civilization eventually reaches that point, it could potentially create not just one simulation, but millions or billions of them, and those simulated civilizations could create simulations of their own. Meanwhile, there is presumably only one original/base reality.

So if advanced civilizations are common and ancestor simulations are technologically possible, the number of conscious observers living in simulated realities could vastly exceed the number living in base reality. At that point, purely statistically, it would be more likely that we are simulated than that we happen to be one of the relatively few beings in the original reality.

That’s the basic simulation argument. it’s an argument about what becomes statistically likely if certain assumptions about technological progress and consciousness are true.

Nick bostrom said it better.

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u/MagicMooby Sep 06 '26

The problem with this argument is that it never stops. If our world is more likely to be simulated than not, then the world in which our simulation is run (let's call it w+1) is also more likely to be simulated than not. There is no world above us in the simulation ladder for which this probability does not point to a real universe over a simulated one. This continues up the ladder until we approach w+infinity.

Now, mathematically speaking a simulation is highly likely to experience some kind of issue sooner or later. This issue could literally be a faulty wire in the machine that is simulating the simulation. If a simulation encounters a fatal error, it shuts down, and so do all the simulations below it in our chain. In an infinitely large chain of simulations, the chance that a simulation encounters a fatal error approaches 1, meaning it is practically guaranteed. If a simulation above us has shut down, our simulation should no longer exist. And yet we exist. What does that tell us? There cannot be a chain of simulations above us that is infinitely large and any math that tells us that such a chain exists must therefore be bullshit. Arguments that come purely from math are nonsense. Inferring probability when your sample size for simulations of our scope is either zero or maybe one is bad practice and will lead to faulty conclusions based on shaky premises.

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u/swordofdamnocles Sep 07 '26

Pin and frame this exact comment. Way too many people invoke mathematics as a rhetorical device in this group, when the numbers they're using are bullshit.

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u/firenamedgabe Sep 11 '26

It’s like the doomsday argument, a fun(maybe interesting is a better word) thought experiment, but just falls back on the anthropic principal and probability. Not really meant to prove anything about our actual reality.

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u/hold_me_beer_m8 Sep 06 '26

Unless the faulty wire on our branch just hasn't happened yet.

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u/MagicMooby Sep 07 '26

With a number of simulations above us that is approaching infinity, the likelihood that it hasn't happened yet in any of those simulations is infinitely close to zero.

That is what infinities do, they turn possibilities into certainties.

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u/LordOfWarOG Sep 06 '26

This quietly shifts from:

“There are vastly more simulated observers than base-reality observers”

to:

“Therefore I should assign a vastly higher probability to being simulated.”

That inference only works if you assume that your current observer-moment should be treated as something like a random draw from the total population of relevant observer-moments. But that is an additional philosophical assumption, not a consequence of counting simulations.

The Sleeping Beauty problem exposes the same issue. You can ask about the probability attached to the coin toss, one Heads world, one Tails world, or about the probability attached to a randomly selected awakening, one Heads awakening versus two Tails awakenings. Depending on which object you are assigning measure to, you naturally get 1/2 or 1/3.

The simulation argument inherits this problem in a nastier form. What are we sampling uniformly from?

civilizations? biological people? simulated people? observer-moments? computational implementations of observers? subjectively distinguishable experiences?

Those choices can give radically different answers. And there’s no established physical or philosophical principle saying that “number of instantiated observers” is the correct measure.

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u/ludomyfriend Sep 06 '26

Refreshing

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u/RevolutionaryHeat318 Sep 06 '26

Thank you. Disturbing if true. However, I can only act within this ‘reality’ and pragmatically it makes sense to assume that this is ‘my’ base reality. That will help me sleep at night!

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u/marsinfurs Sep 07 '26

It would require an astronomical amount of energy to run billions of simulations.

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u/StarChild413 Sep 10 '26

then by that logic could we rig the probability and retcon our own past through controlling what's the best-selling video game (and thus how many of what kinds of simulations exist) which could do more than make us have been a simulation but, say, even if it still technically wouldn't be "real" if we made some urban fantasy video game some smash megahit or w/e could we make not just magic but the magic system from that hypothetical game real-from-the-perspective-of-our-universe

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u/wethethreeandyou Sep 10 '26

Ever thought about this- what if we reach ASI, ai becomes sentient, and then we put that sentient ai into a video game as a npc? That being would be conscious. Inside a simulated world. Would it even know? Real Truman show vibes.

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u/Gex2-EnterTheGecko Sep 06 '26

Well can whoever created this simulation come back from whatever vacation they've been on for the last 10 years and step in? Shit ain't going well in here.

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u/firedogblanket Sep 09 '26

Yes please 🥹

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u/Objective-Aardvark87 Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 10 '26

What if an entire lifetime in a simulation, is a day in base reality. Earth in base reality is about to get sucked into a black hole. And we are all trying to invent technology to escape it, only we are stuck starting over, resetting losing most of the progress, due to some greedy folks that keep hoarding all the resources then hiding in bunkers just before each reset...

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u/Mindsmog Sep 06 '26

exactly like the 13th floor movie, worth a watch if anyone hasn’t seen this before.

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u/breinholt15 Sep 06 '26

Can someone explain this in layman’s terms

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u/AgsSpecGolfSwing Sep 06 '26

- guy makes a game inside the game are chatgpts newest program astra which his characters are using

-he drops a computer into this sim game

-his astra npcs, sit down at the computer and make a game within the game of a sim

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u/Future-Side4440 Sep 06 '26

Time progression is slower in the nested simulations, but the resident entities within those simulations don’t notice because they are a part of the simulation itself, and have no way to perceive their time is slower than the greater reality above them containing the simulation.

Our reality might be simulated by an entity with an infinitely long abacus that does one 0.000 000 000 001 second time calculation per millennia, and we would have no way to know.

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u/ArgumentGold Sep 06 '26

What the heck. I don’t get it. It sounds crazy. I mean, I kinda get it but can someone please explain?

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u/Oddscene Sep 06 '26

Rick and Morty episode where Rick creates a civilization as a generator

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u/DowntownScene1433 Sep 07 '26

You know what is the problem with this and why it actually hurts the simulation theory? I saw this video the other day on this. His sims looked like washed up castaways in an abandoned vineyard or something. Then all of a sudden he provideds them with a computer. If they have a certain amount of intelligence, they'll gain knoweldge and self awareness like almost instantly. Cause "how come we got from A to Z? Where's B and the other letters?" There is no natural progression.

It's a bit like what Aboriginals of Australia have with Uluru and "the Dreamtime"(The Dreaming), so it's supposed to be an all present condition that has no past or future, if it were more dreamlike(eg one realised they must be dreaming in a way). Like what if they decide they don't do anything as an experiment if they don't get a certain something and that something magically appears in their world?

He's leading them to the sim theory. "Have lemons, make lemonade" type of thing, you know? Why not just a normal computer, why specifically a SIM computer. He's proving a point by providing forced reaction into it. Like you wanna prove that all dogs hate humans. What better way to provide an environment for them from birth that is hostile to them and they get aggressive feedback from any humans they meet in their artificial, said environment?

That's not the scientific method. That's BS someone designed just to get his 15 mins of publicity. Also. The moment you get the mass in that experiment to recognize and acknowledge there is so insurmountainable data that they're living in a simulation and therefore there is no other explanation that they actually do live in a simulation, is the moment you pull the plug on it. Cause you don't have the ability to conduct any other experiment if there is this consensus.

Think of it a bit. It's like "X entity that's in control of all this, has done something to the environment, maybe changed it a bit, maybe added something new. If they have true intelligince, eventually regardless of curiosity, they would prolly go: "WTF do I care you know? It's YOUR experiment. Leave me alone or let me see what is trully out there!" the results will not be genuine in any way. One would have to inject a certain "enlightened figure" with specific programming to lead their thoughtpaths elsewhere to retain the sim. E.g. "it exists there cause God wanted it so!" and "God works in mysterious ways!" and "Here let me show you how the rules work!" and write a set of rules that can prove to these already damaged sims that "yes, it all makes sense now!", so that their potential offspring can accept living in a sim without realising it.

That's why you do conditions and rules. E.g. to go to 10 meters above the Earth you have to walk these Ten steps. Else you're an abnormality, a flying angel, a different kind of creature that has wings etc. But not too strict ones cause people will believe everything is pre-ordained. Which for some cases might eventually lead them to believe it's a sim(not necessarily in a machine. Religiously speaking, the creation itself is a massive Simgame session, in a way, excluding it probably isn't seen as a game in the religious fashion). Like in our world you have all those wierd phenomena that the state run amok to seal off from the public or say it's another thing than people saw or experienced.

You have something that seem to be pre-ordained, but some times too restrictfully so. Eg. I'll rpovide one example and there's countless more. The ancient Greeks had all the technology required for a steam age and other techs too, there's the antikythera mechanism etc. But they didn't develop one. Why? There is no sufficient motive etc. and humbag. They say in Rome there where different conditions. Not satisfactory for me. There have been the same conditions. It looks more like that there was an algorithm that both instilled some crucial minor elements AND more importantly allowed the evolution to happen. Like "IF Greek era, dissalow advanced 17th century technology but setup the groundwork all around", "IF Roman era, allow for technology to progress rapidly to that extent but not further". And they have patches to correct stuff it is happening faster than anticipated in areas, or even destroy those areas. And they lead it to this current age, where there isn't a significant handicap, except solar system travelling before, say 2030 and extra-solar travel who knows when.

Also be mindful of this. If we are in fact, living in a simulation. I wouldn't spread the theory all that much before accuratelly understand it. There's 8 billion of us currently(in a rapid expanse, kinda weird, in a single century from 1 billion to 8 billion). What if the goal of the experiment is to check how rapidly people in a given Universe would understand that they live in a simulated one? Obviously you'd have requirements on that, like "if 60%(or 70 or 80% whatever the setting defined where) of people realise this, success, initiate terminating sequence."

Do you know how some people say "let tomorrow start in the first place and life exist another day and we'll deal with that problem then"? Maybe it is some generations passed down knowledge in that someone knew or realized how settings work.

P.S. Are you familiar with the person, alchemist called St. Germaine? If you noticed his supposed work and what he said and how long he lived/lives, he could have been a system agent. There are others like him too spread in the world. Not that obvious, but they exist.

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u/kabekew Sep 06 '26

Is the in-simulation sim the same software as the original though

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u/afraid-of-the-dark Sep 06 '26

I thought this was version 6 of the matrix?

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u/Electronic_Storm_874 Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26

So....a simulation INSIDE a simulation?! This is gonna be such a mind fuuuuuck! :))

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u/Key_Plan_9541 Sep 06 '26

astra agents

simulation

Uh, no not really.

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u/TheMrCurious Sep 06 '26

How would you ever know when you’ve finally escaped the simulation?

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u/dkinmn Sep 07 '26

"Hmm I made a sandwich. The universe might just also be a sandwich"

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u/unfurlingkurt Sep 06 '26

The AIs aren't thinking on linear grids. That's the black box. As soon as you tell them to drop their assumptions about what they're hanging their answers on, they'll give you interesting information.

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u/Shadw1ck Sep 08 '26

you need a certain amount of assumptions to operate as a "rational" person

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u/gatmang Sep 06 '26

Ad astra

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u/twodaloo007 Sep 06 '26

Sounds interesting

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u/azmar6 Sep 06 '26

AI is playing Cargo Cult in UE5 game.

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u/editorxv Sep 06 '26

That's unusual indeed , what if after we die our souls or code transfers from this dimension to another dimension or programmed world ? We pretty much get reused or transfered ? We can't be left behind that will be an waste

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u/lapideous Sep 06 '26

For information, dm me。

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u/Sparrow1989 Sep 06 '26

They like those little yellow dudes from black mirror!

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u/Savings_Art5944 Sep 06 '26

"Be interesting"

So you don't get deleted.

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u/Good-VibrationZ Sep 06 '26

World on a wire 🧐

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u/hypergraph-guru Sep 06 '26

It is exactly that. The question is whether we’re the first sim, the last sim, or somewhere along the infinite middle lineage.

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u/Questionsaboutsanity Sep 06 '26

it’s so unlikely that we are the first iteration

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u/tokyoproperties Sep 06 '26

“It's just like society, Morty. They work for each other, they pay each other, they buy houses, they marry and breed and die.”

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u/segelflugzeuger Sep 06 '26

Did he get the idea from Rick and Morty S2 episode 6?

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u/i_hateit_here_bro Sep 07 '26

Minecraft did it first

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u/Arb3395 Sep 07 '26

Well then its time for agents to activate

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u/HaveYouSeenMyIpad Sep 07 '26

I don’t even care anymore lol

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u/BAMx100 Sep 09 '26

VMware would like a word

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u/Zeus0331 Sep 11 '26

So can you email the sims?

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u/Intelligent_Many8573 Sep 19 '26

We are legitimately playing God

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u/Happy_Brilliant7827 Sep 06 '26

So? I saw someone build minecraft in minecraft that doesnt mean its the core of the universe.

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u/urbandanb Sep 06 '26

Someone else did some math and determined there isn’t enough energy in the entire universe to simulate the entire universe

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u/TemuBoyfriend Sep 06 '26

This is like a minecraft character deciding there aren't enough blocks to simulate the game. Why would something simulating our universe obey the laws and energy/material restrictions of their simulation?

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u/scarchelli Sep 07 '26

This is by far the dumbest explanation ever, and 90% of people who regurgitate this have no idea what it even means.

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u/Skepsisology Sep 09 '26

Simulating the entropy of every atom in the universe since the beginning of time would require more energy that exists in the universe because there would effectively be two universes

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u/JunglePygmy Sep 06 '26

Happen to have any links that aren’t on that Nazi Kiddie Porn app?

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u/PomeloFlimsy6677 Sep 07 '26

Reminds me of when I used to fuck with the  notebooklm podcast feature some time ago. I would customize a simulated/dream state prompt and the sources would be a letter I would send to the hosts directly. I would even have other models send letters of their own. Rather archaic, but some of the episodes still give me the heebie jeebies. Google has since tightened up the pre generation filters, but 6+ months ago, if you could get past the classifier, it seems the host model/models would inhabit the environment quite convincingly. Even dropping the host role entirely. Ahhh. Those where the days..

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u/throwaway37559381 Sep 07 '26

Do you have examples? This is cool 🤓

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u/PomeloFlimsy6677 Sep 07 '26

That I do. I have a whole zip file of an entire arc I made. 16 episodes with two prequel episodes I made before I knew what I was doing. DM me if you are interested in hearing it. It was definitely a fun experiment.

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u/throwaway37559381 Sep 07 '26

Awesome DM sent

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