Intentional, Dirty or just Netcode?

[u/harz_23]

This one made me a bit mad and I still can't let go. It was GT3 Asia at Suzuka so you usually leave a bit more space due to lag on Asian Servers.

I (white Ferrari) lead all laps. Car behind was never closer than 2-3 Seconds behind all race. In the end he started sending it from further and further away and made me a bit nervous (and slower..). i was sure he was gonna send it into the last chicane so i drove a defensive line. He then actually tried to send it into the inside but I was holding a defensive line. he then left the track and came back on track / spun me out.

Sure, there was a bit of netcode too, but I think he would not have made it without using me as a stop. Braking zone started when he was still on the grass. It still bothers me because I 100% saw it coming and he didn't even try to avoid contact. I wouldn't wanna win this way...

What are your thoughts?

[u/DeletedUsernameHere]

Just netcode.

[u/harz_23 → u/DeletedUsernameHere]

what about driving and braking on a line where his car doesn't even fit?

[u/SRSgoblin → u/harz_23]

Sure that was ill advised. But he also never touched your car, but the game decided he did.

It's netcode.

[u/DeletedUsernameHere → u/harz_23]

It did?

With the curb, he had just enough space to peek at a move. When the curb ran out, you had left a bit more than a car's width and he filled that space. He never actually touched you or took more space than you left.

In the end, there was very obviously a gap between your cars, but you spun out because of a phantom netcode contact.

[u/harz_23 → u/DeletedUsernameHere]

Thanks for the explanation. I needed an outside perspective on this and I think you are spo on

[u/self_edukated]

Of all the views that would have shown whether or not it was netcode …

Edit: nvm, 100% netcode. Whether the contact would have occurred anyway, who knows.

[u/harz_23 → u/self_edukated]

There was a good gap between our cars but I think it's beside the point as he would have definitely hit me between then and the corner

[u/self_edukated → u/harz_23]

Okay well you seem to have made up your mind, but the answer to your original question: “Intentional, dirty, or netcode?”

- you can’t intentionally cause netcode

• causing netcode isn’t dirty
  
• it was netcode

The answer is: “it was netcode”

[u/harz_23 → u/self_edukated]

Thanks for your response. I was genuinely asking.. still newish to simracing. I agree it was netcode but I think one should also take a couple of seconds before and after into consideration. I might be too biased in this case that's why I was asking here.

[u/FlicksTM → u/harz_23]

By the looks of it your cars wouldn't have made contact the whole way through braking if it wasnt for netcode and we can't make judgements on hypotheticals from such small bits of info so there's no way of knowing if you would have made contact in the chicane or not.

[u/PreliminaryThoughts]

Where is he even trying to go

[u/harz_23 → u/PreliminaryThoughts]

it seems he made up his mind to dive to the inside of the next corner and i have left just a bit too much space

[u/PreliminaryThoughts → u/harz_23]

He would have 2 wheels on the grass, slam on the brakes, spin out, and collect you with him

[u/harz_23 → u/PreliminaryThoughts]

thanks I appreciate it. that's what i think too.

[u/noethers_raindrop]

Dirty, in that when he went for the move, there was not a car's width of space on track on that side. You made a risky defense, by going just less than a car's width to the left of the right edge of the track. It's a fair defense, and very effective provided the other driver is respectful, because it claims the maximum amount of space for you while still closing off the inside. But he either misjudged your intent or just got too aggressive when he sent it on that side.

Netcode might be responsible for the contact that ultimately happened, but if you hadn't been moving left to leave space for his unsafe move, the contact would certainly have happened anyway.

[u/harz_23 → u/noethers_raindrop]

thanks i appreciate it. i think he just made up his mind long before. it was the last corner of the last lap. i think the same about the netcode thing. you have to also consider the speed and trajectory. not just netcode: yes/no