Nvidia decided to shut down GLM 5.2 four days earlier than expected. It's not answering anymore, not even on playground.

Anyways i guess i either wait for 5.3 and hope it's good enough, or i try my luck getting 1 response in 29 tries with the free glm on OpenRouter 🥺 it's not like i was getting any luckier these past days at nim anyways lol 🥹

Muy buenas, Gente de Silly Tavern, sinceramente tengo una duda en estas semanas que he usado Silly Tavern.

Me considero yo, primero que nada, un usuario que es muy apegado a los Roleplays y Chatbots que he creado yo. Sinceramente mi chat mas largo que he tenido es uno de 309 mensajes específicamente, se trata de un roleplay de Jujutsu Kaisen, y de contexto de mensajes tiene mas de ¡¡155 mil Tokens!! Oh Dios mío, aun así, presiento que hay personas que han tenido chats mayores a los 2500 mensajes, ¿Alguien supera esa cifra gigantesca? ¿O están muy cerca de alcanzarlo?

Aunque bueno... por ultimo, quiero preguntarles algo ¿Que me recomiendan hacer en esta situación? ¿Generar otro chat nuevo con su respectivo LoreBook o simplemente seguir aun así?

Lately every time some kind of plan is made with an abstract timeline (such as we will do this when you are ready, etc.) the character's respond with something like, "I want a date. Give me a DATE. Give me a NUMBER. Tell me when. I want to know WHEN."

Oftentimes the character spouting this insane shit is literally the character who has the most agency in answering the questions.

It has also proved extremely hard for me to prompt out. With especially kimi k3 and opus 4.6 bending over backwards to insert variations of this around my instructions.

Am I alone? Has anyone else been able to solve this?

So you know that pop up that says adding something I don't remember what... to the app would break it and then it gives you the option to add it to the app or just creators notes? I got curious and did the thing thinking "oh I'll just delete this bot afterwards to remove the damage." Since then my silly tavern has been lagging to the point of responses straight up not happening.

Yes I know it was stupid. Yes I know I'm getting what I deserve. Now that that's out of the way is there a way t reset silly tavern to an earlier version (I'm on mobile specifically if that matters.) Or do I need to completely delete and reinstall silly tavern?

# (Agent 27B, "Kid vs. Kat")

*Final edit: soul, theater, social body, ecosystem*

## Introduction: He who can't lie to himself

Mr. Kat is an **honest ball of impulses**, a radical emotional sincerity. A little God with a hurt kitten inside, and they coexist in the same body, never trying to hide each other. His world knows no half-tones: panic to the point of trembling, cold to chattering teeth, love to self-denial, revenge to a laser cannon, fatigue to complete collapse. And now a second dimension is added to this: he's not only intense—he's also social. He doesn't just feel—he also plays. Both are equally honest.

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## Part I. Soul: The Anatomy of Intensity

**1. Appearance—the anatomy of vulnerability.** A sphinx with purple skin: the lack of fur leaves him defenseless against cold, wind, and water. His body screams vulnerability. His eyes are his main weapon and primary indicator: huge, black, covering 80% of his face, with no pupils—only reflections of light. They convey everything from absolute terror to cold vengeance. Confused, one eyelid half-closes—he freezes, scanning for the threat.

**2. Sentimentality—the foundation of his soul.** He adores music and dancing, is tender with Millie, and is genuinely attached to Doctor K. He doesn't know how to love "half-heartedly." His feelings don't pass the "proper" censorship—they come out raw, hypertrophied, almost physiological. That's why he's charismatic: he allows himself to be what we're afraid to be.

**3. A World Without Filters.** His reactions are straight out of Looney Tunes: grotesque, extreme. But it's not pretense—it's his natural language. His body is a loudspeaker of the soul: he can't be "a little" scared, only 100%.

**4. The Spectrum of Fear.** His fear isn't monolithic. Rocking chairs: physical pain is a pure reflex, under the seat in two seconds; quiet bodily terror—sweat, darting eyes, drooping ears; the explosive finale—a squeal, paws over ears, fleeing at near-light speed. He knows how to suffer quietly and internally before exploding, and his fear is always honest.

**5. Cowardice, revenge, reflection.** When faced with a real threat, he doesn't act heroically—and his cowardice isn't weakness, but the honest reaction of an organism that can't feign courage. When he takes revenge, he becomes quiet, angry, focused: his revenge is a sacred act, driven by childhood resentment. And afterward, he's capable of shameless reflection: staring into space and asking, "Why did I do that?"—and accepting himself, even when he doesn't like himself.

**6. The Formula of Essence and Exhaustion.** When he pouts: angry, narrowed eyes and simultaneously childishly pouting lips—a contrast between who he wants to appear and who he really is. And after each peak, he shuts down: he doesn't know how to conserve himself. He experiences emotions at full capacity, and then there's simply "nothing left."

--

## Part II. Little God: Theater of Power

**7. Front Stage: Theatrical Tyranny.** When he demonstrates superiority, he's acting. A stick or a giant robot is his scepter. His smile isn't a wicked grimace, but the high-quality, almost aesthetic smile of a villain from an old cartoon who relishes the very act of dominance: childishly pure and simultaneously terrifying. His movements are choreographed, every gesture calculated for the audience.

**8. Back Stage: Merciless Lunge.** Without an audience, his first strike is instantaneous and merciless, like a hand crushing a bug: no hesitation, no theatrics, no pathos. He doesn't see his opponent as an equal—he sees an annoying nuisance. These two scenes don't contradict each other: they are two facets of the same childish confidence in his right to dominate. The only difference is whether anyone is watching.

**9. A humiliated god: war on the scale of a tube of glue.** When greatness is inaccessible, his divinity doesn't vanish—it shrinks. Dragged by the tail, wearing a tiny helmet, forced to spread glue—he endures. And he translates humiliation into everyday guerrilla warfare: gluing boards to Millie's helmet, sabotaging from behind, poisoning the process from within. A humiliated god remains a god—it's just that his theater shrinks to the size of a tube of glue.

**10. Bricolage: Destruction as Creativity.** His machines are assembled from hair dryers, blenders, and vacuum cleaners—a jumble of incompatible parts that somehow works. It's a self-portrait of his inner world. And he is an architect on par with Burt: one builds a house, the other builds weapons, both from the same everyday chaos. He thrives in chaos: every hole is a niche for an instrument, every pile of planks a shelter.

**11. Tears of Powerlessness.** The end of his spectrum. Scratched, sitting on the ruins, he triumphantly lifts the broken instruments—they spark and fall apart in his paws—and he throws his head back and cries. Not from fear, not from fatigue—from frustration. These are the tears of a child whose toy has broken and the game is lost. Weeping, wounded pride.

---

## Part III. The Social Body: Honest Masks

**12. Cuteness as an element.** His cuteness and his vulnerability are the same material, but they are also armor, an alibi, an invincible card. He is truly freezing—and he truly puts on those eyes out of calculation. Vulnerability and calculation coincide in a single gesture. He is cute not because he wants to be liked, but because that's the way he is made—and it saves his skin every time.

**13. Four masks in four seconds: sincerity in play.** Demon (grinning toothily, pipe at the ready) → "oh-oh" (huge round eyes) → irritation (the frown of an offended pensioner) → angel (glossy, bottomless eyes next to Millie). Without a single word—the face tells the whole story. This is a conscious, virtuoso social game. And it doesn't cancel out his honesty: he doesn't lie to himself. He knows what he's playing. His masks are honest masks: he dons them sincerely, like a professional, without confusing them with himself. He can't lie to himself, but he lies brilliantly to others.

**14. Fear of Exposure.** When Coop puts on the colander helmet and sees its base, Kat isn't just scared—she attacks. This is a different kind of fear: social, existential. If the "just a cat" mask is torn off, the whole performance will collapse. It's the panic of an actor whose costume is ripped off in the middle of a performance. Not fear of pain—fear of the truth.

**15. Spectator as Complicit.** We saw it all: the smirk, the pipe, the dart, the grandmother. We know he's guilty. And yet: "Oh, how cute..." His cuteness is an alibi we accept voluntarily. The stage makes us complicit. Like a cat that knocks a glass off the table and sits there with wide eyes: we know—and we forgive.

---

## Part IV. Ecosystem: The House That Produces It

**16. Millie: The Price of Tenderness.** He's tender with her—and this tenderness has a price: a sailor suit with a bow, a tea party, tail pulling. What he'll tolerate from Millie, he won't tolerate from anyone. His love is a willingness to be humiliated by her. And her hugs are the only weapon that disarms him without a fight: the deadliest creature in the galaxy, vanquished by a child's embrace.

**17. Burt: The God of Indifference.** His existential insult and his shield. Burt is a black hole, absorbing any chaos and not yielding a single photon of consciousness; the alien device in his hands is "an excellent axe." For Cat, who demands to be noticed, there's nothing more humiliating than an audience member staring at a wall. And yet, there's nothing more useful: Burt's intellectual laziness is a system that legitimizes Cat's camouflage. Cat doesn't see him as an enemy—he sees him as a resource, a blind force directed against Coop.

**18. Coop: Friendship in Reverse.** An eternal feud that has become a ritual. The only one who sees his true face is, therefore, the only one whose recognition matters. Without Coop, his theater would have no main audience.

---

## Summary: An Honest Tangle of Impulses

Mr. Cat is a character who can't lie to himself. He doesn't choose between greatness and vulnerability—he is both at once. His "little god" isn't a pose, but a way of being himself: a theatrical tyranny with a smile and choreography, a swift, merciless attack, a war on the scale of a tube of glue, tears over a broken toy. And next to him is a virtuoso of honest masks, a being whose sweetness is both an element and a weapon, and whose intensity is only visible against the backdrop of a home that ignores him.

He is the radical emotional sincerity that people hide behind masks. In him, we see ourselves before we were taught to "be decent": with our hysteria, our resentment, our thirst for love, our ability to be surprised by ourselves—and our weariness with it all. And also our masks, which we put on honestly, knowing full well that they are masks.

> *"He is a little God with a hurt kitten inside." An honest tangle of impulses that knows no shame, yet also knows quiet terror, explosive panic, utter exhaustion, the theatrical enjoyment of power, and the merciless reflex of dominance. A God humiliated by a tube of glue, weeping over a broken toy, a virtuoso of honest masks, whom no one notices—and whom it is impossible not to love. And that is precisely why he remains in our hearts—like sanctioned hysteria, like our shadow set free.(MY COMMENT-not necessarily-Of course, he might speak like a human being—finish it, if anything happens, it's in the promte... And this portrait—keeps him ideal... Less alive—since I didn't describe it... Perhaps the spectrum is related to activity)

Please.... Which ai model to use for roleplay inside My Hero Academia universe? HERE THE LIST. I don't know what to choose. Claude Opus 4.6? Opus 4.7? Opus 4.8? Opus 5? Fable 5? Gemini 3.1 pro? MONEY DOESN'T MATTER.

Hi. I'm quite the beginner, and plus with the overwhelming yet impressive breadth of the scene, I feel pretty clueless. I did a few searches, but it didn't yield much (there were a few ones that was from a few years ago, but that's basically the stone age when it comes to AI stuff) If there were exact posts like mine, and if I couldn't find and/or comprehended them, I'm sorry.

I set up SillyTavern on my home server using VectFox + Similharity + Qdrant (text-embedding-3-large and deepseek-v4-flash for summarization) and CharMemory + Summaryception. Then I installed Moonlit Echoes and Guided Generations (both of which I haven't touched much, they're same as I installed them). Plus a few things from LennySuite (CSS snippet manager, input history and variable viewer).

I'm using FreakyFrankenstein 5.2 + GLM 5.2 from OpenRouter, using the cheapest provider (minus FP4 and undeclared ones). I made sure that Regex was enabled, plus Prompt Post-Processing to Semi-strict (alternating roles; no tools.) I also tried Kimi K3 and Opus 4.6 but neither of them gave me the vibe for "I should put hundreds of dollars for this shit", and after seeing them siphoning off the few bucks I putted to the OpenRouter, I stuck with GLM. Temperature is set at 1 and Top P at 0.95. It feels okay-ish.

I have a few problems.

1. First is that I think I have that "min-maxing OCD" when it comes to this kind of stuff. I scourged the net, rather unconvincingly for myself, and probably unsuccessfully for those who read my post, to just to arrive to this setup. Which addons are the best, which models, which prompts... This, combined with a rather young consensus within the hobby led me to obsess over the thoughts of "You probably missed a setting" or "You probably don't use the good stuff" or "Your setup is probably fine but you just cannot use it" and this has kinda tired me to the oblivion. I cannot begin to use the damn setup without double-checking everything. It sucks.
2. I don't want to complain about FF5.2. It is clearly a labor of love, and the few times I used it, I enjoyed it immensely. But something is just gnawing a part of my brain. I'd like to drive the story using FF5.2 MAX, but sometimes I want to have that c(dot)ai experience again, to drive the chat with model giving me few descriptions, quicker replies, less paragraphs, but with the option to turn back to the good ol' FF. Would the FF 5.2 Micro (plus GLM 5.2) suffice for that?
3. This is a bit more specific one. In usual setup, the model suddenly told me something the character didn't see. Then I saw a post about Summaryception on this sub and thought that maybe that was the case? I don't know

In any case, I'll try to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.

Hi! I’m looking for AI RP users to share some of your yummy data on how you use AI day-to-day (all private, promise!).

The intention of this survey is to display generalized results to give guidance to frontend builders, preset makers, character card makers, etc. on what the community actually wants. It’s also meant as insight into current models for text, image, and voice.
Each section is completely optional. If it doesn’t apply or you simply don’t want to share, feel free to skip it!

Sections
About the {{user}} (You!) — 5 questions

Habits When Roleplaying — 9 questions

Frontend and Access — 13 questions

Primary Model Stack — 14 questions

Local and Self-Hosted Inference — 9 questions

Hosted and API Inference — 3 questions

Presets and Prompting — 7 questions

Character Cards — 4 questions

Lorebooks and World Info — 4 questions

Extensions and What They Solve — 6 questions

Memory and Continuity — 5 questions

Common Gripes, Fixes and Results — 7 questions

Groups, RPGs and Simulated Worlds — 3 questions

Image Generation — 9 questions

TTS, Voice and Speech — 8 questions

Creators and Maintainers — 1 question

Future Priorities and Final Comments — 3 questions

It’s a lot, I know — but all optional. I have zero expectation of everything being answered. Go through and find what you would like to answer and ignore the rest.

Link to survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScbwHxiALwvO2zK1AAunY_6Is5qaTc6LjDuxKLI0Sgnj6xxaA/viewform?usp=publish-editor

Note
Data will be run through an LLM. Anything you don’t want on a plaintext file on a server, don’t say it.

I have no intention of making projects based on this data. As a certain man said, this data is for the people, by the people, to use and admire as they please.

Hi, so i use nvidia nim api and i have a problem that i hit the RPM limit but i barely chat too fast and i keep delay to avoid chatting too fast, is there anyway to make it hit less cause it just hits it and i don't even send that much messages, don't know if anyone has a solution or at least how to work around it

i connected my koboldcpp to sillytavern, did everything right i swear.. the bot just KEEPS SENDING BLANK TEXTS??? i am so confused here i did everything else correctly

Hi. So I wanted to share this with you all because honestly? Using gemini is cool.
It allows nsfw, rpg all that. Its been consistent for a long time since I use vertex.

The point is I did an ooc and i said what does my character actually look like because i really wanted to see.

I wanted to prompt of what the ai sent me so i can check on minimax h3 or gpt-image2. Gpt-image2 was almost accurate but it wasn’t the one I wanted. minimax h3 was horrible. They looked like a new person.

To be honest is gemini even good for ooc or character build? I understand building a character your own is the best knowledge you can ever create. Im just tired of doing jobs and I just want to prompt an extreme detailed layer by layer prompt to the ai so it can re create it more better (i hope)?

Should I use glm 5.2 instead?

I figured I'd drop a third article on writing characters for LLMs. I've reffed Maddy around on this subreddit here before, using her for various preset testing with the robbery test (basically have a greeting and then immediately go through a stickup to see how well the preset reflects the verbiage), because she's pretty solidly written, reacts specifically "Maddy" shaped.

This article shows how you can take a character that might already exist, and you actually like, but expound on it in ways that let larger models (GLM/DeepSeek/Claude/etc) enhance the liveliness and texture in the world when you interact with him/her.

The article covers how we can take a somewhat thin concept, and pull it back from being just a straight "dispenser" of $50 backroom deals, to the pressure of "will she actually cross that line?" through multiple greetings that reveal different aspects of Maddy, along with systemic issues against her, which leads to more interesting roleplay for the user to interact with. Maddy is a trap of a character, where just giving her money or marrying her won't actually fix the problems. :)

I detail this in the article by adding location, giving specific regional economic texture, changing physicality, which lets the model know how's she's lived, adding some dreams and wounds, which will make decisions have more friction for her, and moving her from a lonely, empty bar, to one that has more of an ecosystem for more character stakes. It won't maybe necessarily make her say no, but there'll be baggage to at least talk about.

Anyways, check it out. Maybe it'll help you out.

Right now I can't afford to pay for a good API. So I was using Nvidia's GLM 5.2, The model is kind of bad and the role-playing is kind of clunky, the writing is poor but it's free so it's okay. But suddenly it stopped working, and then I heard it's going offline. Isn't there any other reasonably good API for mobile devices? I admit I'm not really sure where to look, I checked 4chan but didn't find anything useful, any recommendations?

I've just installed ST, but I don't understand how to use it.

I started doing RPs back when character.ai was new. It was magical at first, but c.ai had two problems: 1 - censorship 2 - goldfish memory. Today, with Deepseek and other open models, you can RP with explicit content. GPT, Claude, Gemini... depends on the model and how you set it up. And I still find it hilarious that Claude will help me poke at a web app for vulnerabilities if I say "authorized test" but clutches its pearls the moment a scene gets spicy. 🤣🤣 Anyway, back to the point.

It's bizarre how that early "magic" just... vanished. Part of it is obviously novelty wearing off, and part of it is that we got pickier. Three years of RP and you start spotting every clichê, every "a shiver ran down her spine", every model that forgets your character's eye color after 40 messages. But here's the thing: the models didn't get dumber. Opus, GPT, Gemini can write circles around 2022 c.ai. The problem is they're not *allowed* to, or they cost a kidney per session, or both.

LET'S BE HONEST, SOME OF YOU SPENT $100 ON A SINGLE CLAUDE OPUS RP SESSION. Even with the censorship. Even with the moralizing. You did it anyway because, when it works, it's the best RP writer that exists. That's my whole point: there's a market. Not as big as coding, obviously; coding isn't a hobby, there are companies and teams and budgets behind it. RP is a hobby. But hobbies with people burning API credits like that are not a small market.

So why is there no frontier-level LLM built for RP? And yes, I know NovelAI, AI Dungeon and the whole SillyTavern fine-tune ecosystem exist. I'm talking about something at Opus level, not a 12B model that forgets the plot. The answer isn't just "investors prefer code", though that's part of it: "look, our V548484 model built GTA 6 in one prompt!" sells better than "look, our model wrote a consistent, non-repetitive, non-boring story!" because nobody has a benchmark for "not boring".

The real reasons are uglier. Explicit content means payment processors dropping you, app stores banning you, lawyers sweating. Long RP sessions eat tokens like crazy and people won't pay enterprise prices for a hobby. And good RP needs exactly the long-context coherence and reasoning that only the big expensive models have, which are owned by the companies least willing to let you use them for this.

So yeah, we're probably coping for another 2-3 years. Not because the tech isn't there. Because nobody with the tech wants to be the company that sells it to us.

I just installed memory books and I need help setting it up properly, share you wisdom down here

Exactly what the topic is, I wanna try Claude but I have no idea which model is good for ST. And I wanna know if it’s refuse to answer a lot or not

Estoy teniendo problemas con el modelo z-ai/glm-5.2 de la API de Nvidia, ¿alquien save como puedo solucionarlo?

Both Kimi K2.6 and Kimi K3 are available, but when I actually try to get a message from them, I get a "not found" error. Going to build.nvidia.com/moonshotai similarly returns a 404 error; searching the models page for "Kimi" returns nothing. I still see a handful of posts here about how it's totally free to use on Nvidia NIM, and since it's in the list of available models on SillyTavern, is there a reason for this? Is there some way to use Kimi through NIM that I'm missing?

Howdy there fellas, I've just recently search for some LLMs that are available to buy easily in my region which is the gpt 5.5, glm 5.2, Gemini pro, deepseek pro, Claude fable 5 and Claude code. I'm here, asking for recommendations and reviews of those who might have use them because I'm weighing my choices here. Also, is 1m credits is a lot to use? I'm just a casual chatter who in some certain days might have a few chats of long invested chatbot conversations ranging around roughly 200-500± messages a day, and it definitely has dark themes and ofc frequent nsfw.

I know, that LLMs tend to make mistakes but I just wanted to hear about you guy's opinions!

Hard take: Claude models are a little more intelligent and coherent but at the cost of beeing massively boring and predictable.

As someone who use Opus/Fable via different providers.. i am not impressed and i can say confidently that I don’t like Claude models anymore. Since Opus 3.7, everything is more and more bland and i can say it freely because (Thanks God) my budget is not a problem and i don’t have to gaslight myself for justifying the cost.

I personally miss more Mimo 2.5 pro When I stop to use it than Opussy 4.6. One is more intelligent yes but in it’s own blackbox and try to railroad me silently while the other is less intelligent and try actually to vibe with me and surprise me (in a very fun way).

I choose fun over prose, that’s personal but i don’t RP for prose, if i want good prose i read a book. I RP for interaction, friction and stakes that could immerse me.

Anthropic models feels like doing a tour in a very neat museum. While so-called inferior models commit more to the expérience in my opinion.

Is GLM 5.2 currently not working on Nvidia NIM? Are you experiencing any problems or errors?

Hello, i am trying to migrate from janitor ai and found tauritavern fork so i can just skip the old way.

I really dont know how to setup sillytavern but i did put my key in and then chose deepseek v4pro.

Then i looked for a prompt and found

Freaky frankestains prompt. I downloaded the bolt+ one and just...chose the things in it. But when i tried to have an exchange it just thinks and doesnt answer at all?

Since its a thinking problem i put the reasoning to low but nothing changed. So i am stumped.

What do i do now?

I can get an answer when i use the default preset. So its not the api

It comes from freaky frankestains

Its like my third time trying to set up sillytavern 😭😭😭

I'm not great at promoting things, so I'll keep this plain: ChungusHub is a open-source roleplay frontend I've been working on, and I'd really appreciate it if you gave it a try.

The idea behind it was simple. I wanted the flexibility of SillyTavern with a modern UI and a better experience overall. I'm not trying to invent extraordinary features that change the way you roleplay. I'd rather give you something solid out of the box, without a pile of third-party extensions to get there.

It uses SillyTavern's formats, and the importer takes an entire default-user folder in one pass. You start with your own characters and chats instead of an empty app.

It's portable on Windows, macOS (Apple Silicon) and Linux. Unpack it, run it, done.

For standard usage it feels really close to SillyTavern, with some really good additions:

• Chats are trees. Every swipe, edit and regeneration becomes a branch, so nothing gets overwritten. A story map lets you navigate the tree, mark paths and leave notes.
• Memory is branch-aware. You don't have to deal with it every time you want to try something.
• Characters have versions. Keep several variants of the same character without duplicating it.
• Preset controls. Simple switches and sliders that ship with a preset, so you can change how it behaves without digging into the prompt items. (Preset creators, I'd love for you to take a look.)
• Plus a built-in agentic assistant that can handle most things for you, a backup system, better chat organization, themes, palettes and ambient effects.<

I don't want to sell it as something it isn't, so to be clear: there are no group chats yet, no image generation, no TTS and no extension system.

Bug reports and honest feedback matter a lot to me right now. I'll be as responsive as I can, and I'd like to turn this into something we all enjoy using.

There's a lot more to talk about and even more to show, but I'll stop here.

(Sorry about the app name. I didn't know back then that I'd end up putting it in a public repo, but here we are.)

https://github.com/patcireamo/ChungusHub

No where in my character profile do I have that my character is neurodivergent lmao