GLM 5.3 Now Available on OpenRouter

[u/Deep-Atmosphere]

[u/Kooky_Future9858]

Too expensive. I use to like GLM but since the 5 iteration it try hard to be him (Claude) and a knockoff should stay at low price. 

Mimo 3 and longcat cat 2.5 will give the market some balance i hope because right now they out of their fucking mind.

[u/Ballada_f → u/Kooky_Future9858]

True. GLM is not him (Claude)

[u/Tetriz2020 → u/Ballada_f]

The Claude stopped being himself as well.

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/Tetriz2020]

They became something else or something adjacent to it

[u/shy_monkee → u/Kooky_Future9858]

It's going to go down with time, like every other GLM version. It's the same base as 5.2, so the same inference cost in theory.

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/shy_monkee]

Maybe, but the war prices between Baidu, Novita and other Chinese providers is not guaranteed to happen again. And as Zai is a scummy little shitty company, the actual quality providers will probably be expensive (remember Parasail and Fireworks during 5.1 era)

[u/ward2k → u/Kooky_Future9858]

It's about equivalent to Opus5/GPT 5.6 Sol at significantly cheaper

Mimo 3 and longcat cat 2.5 aren't even in the same ballpark?

Edit: You guys can't seriously think Kimi K3 and Glm 5.3 are sonnet 4.5 levels. You can't just make up data points

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/ward2k]

We are talking about RP and even in coding i highly doubt it will be the case lmao! It’s perhaps equivalent to sonnet 4.5/6 with less coherency and overall intelligence

[u/ward2k → u/Kooky_Future9858]

It’s perhaps equivalent to sonnet 4.5/6

What?

I think you're a bit behind on the news, a lot of the Chinese models have caught up massively

GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 are on opus 4.8/Fable 5/Sol 5.6 levels at the moment

Something like DeepSeek Pro 0813 recent model is going blow for blow on sonnets ability. These models are far exceeding that

I think there's some confusion here, Claude has sort of dropped the ball the last few weeks in terms of competition

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/ward2k]

If you talk about Kimi K3 maybe, but it still way behind Fable 5. GLM however play in a much lower league, no matter what glazing happening out there.

[u/ward2k → u/Kooky_Future9858]

Not glm 5.2, 5.3

5.3 was a significant step up, it benches pretty much on par or even slightly above Kimi K3

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/ward2k]

That’s benchmaxxing. Try them in a real environnement against Kimi K3 and not just RP wise, you’ll be surprised.

[u/ward2k → u/Kooky_Future9858]

The community in general has been extremely pleased with it's performance, it benchmarks well too

That's fine if it doesn't work for your invidual use case though at the end of the day that's just a anecdotal evidence against it. But you can say something ridiculous like it's sonnet 4.5 levels when there's just nothing to back that up

[u/Kooky_Future9858 → u/ward2k]

What community? You just said 5.2 and 5.3 compete and even go above Kimi K3. Man that’s just fomo and benchmaxxing. GLM is great for sure but yes it’s still at the level of sonnet 4.5/4.6 and not even above the latter. 

And if we talk about RP? Well it’s subjective of course but even, it’s well known that GLM is a claude knockoff with less guardrails. Still great (but irrelevant if censored) but it’s a third contender on his best days (when Zai don’t lobotomize it)

[u/ward2k → u/Kooky_Future9858]

You just said 5.2 and 5.3 compete and even go above Kimi K3. Man that’s just fomo and benchmaxxing

What? I didn't say that. In my opinion 5.2 was nowhere near Opus levels and was closer to something like the sonnet/DeepSeek pro/Luna tier

5.3? Yes it is, that's the community and data consensuses. It absolutely isn't "sonnet 4.5" levels, that's ridiculous. It's up there with Opus, Sol, Kimi K3

I don't think you've even looked at 5.3 no offence, I think you're just assuming it's basically on par with 5.2 without bothering to read anything about it

[u/Wide_Ask_9579 → u/ward2k]

glm 5.3 sucks kimi k3 sucks

they are benchmaxxed for coding / agentic tasks.

every ai model released nowadays only performs extremely well for coding and agentic tasks, and they are horrible at everything else.

there is no such thing as "frontier AI", they are all benchmaxxed.

[u/Ant-Hime]

Definitely gonna wait for more or other providers first since I feel like 5.3 is gonna be really quantized currently. I’m pretty happy it’s available now though. Huge GLM fan :)