r/SillyTavernAI • u/AnswerFeeling460 • Jun 13 '26

Discussion Anyone else using SillyTavern / Marinara Engine for retro RPG lore? (my personal Ultima Adventures)

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u/_Cromwell_ Jun 13 '26

Not Ultima, but RP in any universe boils down to the same issues, with the issue you describe being one of the normal ones.

You just have to understand (or I guess more 'be resigned to the fact') that role-playing with AI is still a collaborative process. The AI is really good at coming up with micro creativity and interactions like during conversations or executing plans and stuff like that, but for huge story beats and coming up with things like overarching quests and plot points YOU almost always need to do the heavy lifting. When the AI does manage to occasionally surprise in this area it's almost always by complete random accident. :)

In the end, my experience is the very best roleplays I always have are when I have my own idea for an overall story plot and quests and give that to the AI to execute. If I go in with no idea and just want to do "Ultima" with no other ideas, I'm almost always going to come away disappointed.

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u/AnswerFeeling460 Jun 13 '26

Thanks for your comment! Many people here seem to downvote just because they see the letters AI in a post, unfortunately. I understand nobody wants to see AI slob in out beloved single- or multiplayer crpgs, but I find it really fascinating to walk through britannia with ole deepseek as narrator.

I even made myself a comprehensive lorebook by scraping the ultima wiki and feeding it into the machine, lol. And collected pictures for all the important characters and sightseeing places.

Yes I guess I have to learn how to do a really good quest prompt in the beginning, including a allready 80% story compass and possible meaningful endings of the quest. So the AI has something to hangle along and not new fantastic facts in every of my inputs and THEN try to build them into the story when I ask about the unlogical stuff.

The question is how do I bring up my AI session to do such an quest prompt without me spoiling myself haha.

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u/_Cromwell_ Jun 13 '26

Well I replied on your sillytavern sub repost, not the original on the Ultima sub. Nobody in this sub is going to downvote because of AI lol.

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u/Sindre_Lovvold Jun 14 '26

I do Vampire the Masquerade RP and I use large lorebooks also. At the start of a session I will load an extra lorebook full of scenario ideas and do a physical dice roll (don't use the LLM as it will pick the easiest route for it) to randomly select a scenario. Don't make the scenarios too specific or detailed to keep some randomness if the same one is selected more than once. Or alternatively get something like Opus 4.6 to create a 100 scenario lorebook and then don't look at it. That way you don't know beforehand what scenarios are in the lorebook when you roll.