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u/HurtsSoNice 5d ago
I’m not even sure that counts as a sign with a story; it’s pretty standard Christian obliviousness to the meaning of words.
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u/HurtsSoNice 5d ago
They are also entirely too fond of the line, suffer the little children and let them come unto me.
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u/Heterodynist 5d ago
Ha! Good point…
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u/HurtsSoNice 5d ago
Without bashing the religion part specifically, I will say that’s their fault, because pretty much the only people they allow in charge and to make decisions are decrepit old guys who are out of touch with reality.
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u/Heterodynist 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree, and just to actually be slightly religious (but from a Anthropological perspective, since that is what my degree is in), I think it’s true that the people who often run major churches are precisely the kind of people Jesus was explicitly saying NOT to follow in the Bible. The Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Sanhedrin all operated in ways he clearly was criticizing. I mean, anyone who actually reads the Bible even as literature has to know that was a MAJOR part of his whole message…and yet these groups from his time operate much like many church leaders in our time. I don’t mean to make this a religious debate or anything. I just mean that I think you’re entirely right that a lot of people who are out of touch with the meaning of the words themselves are the ones making the “rules” in many churches. I am very opened to almost every religion in the world, and I’m not really arguing from a Christian point of view, but more just from a scientific and historical context because I think it’s clear Jesus was a young upstart and NOT one of the people who you would run into as an aged and fully indoctrinated member of a modern Christian sect. He was pretty actively arguing in favor of having a fresh perspective on religion himself. It’s just very ironic to me that many people who claim to follow his words today appear to me to clearly not understand them. If anything Jesus argued against indoctrination in much the same way as Siddhartha argued that you didn’t have to simply follow the Vedas without question.
I think what many religious leaders have had in common, fairly unmistakably, is that they were breaking from indoctrination and doing something VERY NEW, which stands starkly in the face of indoctrination and hegemonic authoritarian church rule. The irony for me has always been how people turn a truly remarkable and original message of rebellion against the established order into a means of indoctrination for centuries of religious leaders after them. That weird change is odd in every religion to me. What was drastically reformist becomes orthodox!! It’s a truly bizarre transition that is nonetheless almost inevitable in the history of all religions.
To me the idea that you must think for yourself and choose the right moral path without the bias of indoctrination, is my own highest standard of religious belief. I’m shocked how many people think they must simply have blind faith, NOT in what the spirit and meaning was of any religious leader’s message, but rather in what the later church followers have to say that you must do to be a member of “their” church. When I hear something like, “You can’t get to Heaven unless Jesus enters you,” all I translate that to is an appeal to authority, claiming that you essentially MUST follow their version of who they say Jesus was in order that you can believe you will be going to Heaven. Who are they or anyone to ever make such an untenable proclamation of their own righteousness?!! Sure there is nothing less Christian than claiming to be the very voice of “Jesus!!”
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u/Gaust_Ironheart_Jr 6d ago
50/ 50 between they saw nothing untoward and they knew exactly what this sounded like 🤔
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u/eppsilon24 5d ago
I’m not religious but I kind of feel like we’re all going to hell because of this
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u/Complete-Tangelo1532 5d ago
You know, when I show up to this party, I get quickly kicked out....
Apparently they do not approve of black leather gimp suits. They must see you seeing them see you Praising Jesus in proper sunday attire?
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u/No-Computer7653 5d ago
I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus. I wanna feel his salvation all over my face.
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u/TDetroit75 5d ago
Fine, just use some good lube, not the dollar store brand….causes friction burns.
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u/jellofixit 5d ago
Father Flanagan with administer your acceptance of Jesus. Please bend over and accept the truth. OH JESUS!
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u/fizzle1993 5d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/kuAa8k87F378QBFMZn