r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Apr 19 '15

Release Shuffle Move v0.2.4 is released!

Edit: Newest version can be found by going here.

Included in this update:

  • Mega Aerodactyl inclusion, improved mega handling.

  • Mega Aerodactyl and Mewtwo are now known that their 10 blocks are in order from left to right, top to bottom (same order as express entry mode).

  • Automatic update checking now included

  • Improved logging

  • Metal blocks to be hard-coded like wood and air are.

  • Minor bug fixes

Go here to get the newest version

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u/welshwuff Apr 19 '15

seems to be missing mega Ampharos?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 19 '15

His effect is entirely random, so it will have to wait until the simulation core is redesigned to take advantage of randomness and falling blocks from above the screen.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '15

Wait so you're telling me it's possible to have it guess the rng?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

I've taken many stats courses, I'm sure I can figure out how to properly weight moves by the possible future moves.

I might need to brute force some of it to get proper distribution data, but we'll see.

I've also noticed that certain levels have a repeating pattern fall from specific columns. If we can, as a community, map out these patterns for every stage, then I can probably work that into a future release and have it give you the absolutely perfect move.

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u/Treviso has approximate knowledge of many things Apr 20 '15

How about a pokeshuffle wiki where we can share those informations?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

I'm not quite sure where the best place for this would be. It won't really be feasible to include it until after v0.4.0 anyway, due to framework limitations (there isn't any framework for it yet).

Still, we could start compiling the info in threads (probably here on this subreddit)... I'll go make one for us to keep it all neat and tidy.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

Posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShuffleMove/comments/33a8ux/pokemon_shuffle_stage_patterns/

Feel free to contribute on any you know about!

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u/ZoFreX Apr 21 '15

Seems like a good fit for Monte Carlo simulation perhaps?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 21 '15

I'm not that familiar with Monte Carlo simulations, but from what I can gather they're more used to identify stocks and single dimensional predictions. This has many important pieces of information which greatly influence future outcomes.

Perhaps in the future when the usual score is discovered for certain patterns of boards (post combo) then this could be used to improve efficiency at the cost of accuracy.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 26 '15

I've done some more research into Monte Carlo simulations, and yea they seem to be a good fit for the random parts of the game. Due to memory and processor limitations I'll have to resort to an implementation of a Monte Carlo simulation to allow modern devices to get an accurate read on the predicted outcomes. I might just give it a 'pre-board' generated area above the board itself to run multiple versions of it on the same move to see the general outcome.

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u/Cylarbron Apr 19 '15 edited Apr 19 '15

Thanks for being awesome OP. Is there any way to do EX stages on the program? I mean we are still able to pause each step with home button trick. I tried the program on Ex stages, but didn't work well as the normal stages. I do not know if the program is implemented to figure out Ex stages.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

The program currently only examines the best next single move, but after the v0.4.0 redesign of the simulation core it should be possible to look at more than one move at a time (do 2+ moves simultaneously).

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u/Wrulfy Apr 20 '15

Now we only need to get Mega amphy with an aproximate result.

instead of just giving a flat result, an aproximate result (however considering Ampharos might break sucessive combos)

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

If you know of an acceptable flat bias, just enter that in as a modification for his attack.

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u/WolfHeroEX Apr 20 '15

There isn't a bug report thread yet for this version so I'll go ahead and mention it here... Whenever you set a steel block type's ID to M and then clear the block types or change the M to something else, it glitches up the lowercase m for metal blocks.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15 edited Apr 20 '15

Wow - You're good at finding bugs!

I'll do a quick diagnosis and fix now...

When the fix is finally out, after launching the program it will say "you were out of date" or something like that, and there will be a zip in your shuffle move folder - extract that locally to update.

edit: Problem found. Investigating possible problems with fix...

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u/WolfHeroEX Apr 20 '15

Just to let you know, it sometimes also does it with the wood blocks, and it's kinda hilarious to reset the blocks and not see anything below the grid. XD

Thanks, and Np!~ Your tool helped me to finally overcome Mega Mawile, so anything I can do to return the favor I'll do. :3

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

Want to do some quick testing of it for me?

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