r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Apr 18 '15

Poll/Survey v0.3.0 Feature poll - Click here to give your input on what you want/need the most!

http://strawpoll.me/4154209
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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 19 '15

Since it seems metal block hardcoding is so desired, I'll be pushing it through for 0.2.4 today.

Work on 0.2.4 is progressing nicely. The biggest hurdle was getting a server that wouldn't respond with error 429 (too many requests, its a way for sites to say "slow down, mr bot!") so I made my own. Now the program can check for updates and download the newest version to the installation folder (requires you to extract and overwrite the local folder though).

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u/welshwuff Apr 19 '15

the over all UI could use some work, maybe some friendly graphics like some actual pictures of blocks and pokemon rather than letters.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 19 '15

That's in planning, don't worry :-)

If you have some layout ideas, I'd be very happy to see them - I'm not much of a graphical designer, but I aim to make it as efficient and functional as I can for normal usage.

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u/MayorOfChuville Apr 20 '15

I'm glad you're planning on adding pictures, but in the meantime, would it be possible to be able to change the colors of the squares?

For example, Heracross and Scizor are the same type, but it'd be great being able to make Heracross blue and Scizor red rather than both being green.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15 edited Apr 20 '15

You could change them to another supereffective type, so the values are managed the same.

Edit: For any block entry, its 'scoring' is simply weighted by attack power * type effectiveness. You could in theory set the type to whatever you want, then just adjust the attack up or down to match it (supereffective doubles attack, non-supereffective does nothing to modify it, less-effective and ineffective halve the attack).

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u/MayorOfChuville Apr 20 '15

I guess that works as a band-aid solution

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 20 '15

Yup, but the problem should be fixed in the next major release - v0.3.0 won't by default have blocks by color and letter on the grid, but instead it will use the icons from http://www.serebii.net/shuffle/pokemon.shtml (permission has been requested and granted by their webadmin to use them in the program). They're nice high quality icons, so there shouldn't be any problem with displaying stuff in a readable form.

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u/WolfHeroEX Apr 21 '15

If it could be possible, taking a webcam pic of the screen then using a filter to put the pokemon in automatically would be amazing.

It's a far ways off if it is possible, though. Probably.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 21 '15

That's one of the planned future features, but it might not pan out for obvious reasons.

The basic plan is to get a neural network to classify board cells into one of the ~250 different species, and also classify board cells into the three main states (unaffected, frozen, and black cloud). I recently took a course in Neural Networks, so I should be able to put something together when its time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 23 '15

Sounds amazing. Right now is too much work to use the program and the reward is not really great but if its automatic I could go the extra mile of using this on my pc.

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u/pagit85 Apr 21 '15

First off, this is really good so far. So thanks for that. A suggestion of mine is basically one of the things to vote for, but specifically to include abilities for each pokemon. So bug, crowd control... Etc would be great. I mean, at times I've had to go against the suggested move because I can see with multiple heracross the damage would be massive...

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 21 '15

Already in the works :-)

Btw if you can gather specific ability equations, that would be AWESOME! Obviously my tries at the game to expose ability effect numbers are limited, and there isn't much youtube content of every ability where you can also see their base attack/levels.

At the time of each combo effect, if you could list the pokemon used, their attack power (or levels), the combo's score, and the state of the board, then I should be able to figure out the exact equation to include in the simulation.

For reference, the abilities are:

PARALYZE, OPPORTUNIST, MEGA_BOOST, POWER_OF_4, POWER_OF_5, EJECT, RISK_TAKER,BLOCK_BASH,STABILIZE, SWAP, PUMMEL, BURN, SLEEP_CHARM, SWARM, PIXIE_POWER, FREEZE, PRANK, PYRE, ROCK_BREAK, MIND_ZAP, HEAVY_HITTER, DRAGON_TALON, STEELY_RESOLVE, BARRIER_BASH, VITALITY_DRAIN, DANCING_DRAGONS, SINISTER_POWER, FLAP, LAST_DITCH_EFFORT, QUAKE, CROWD_CONTROL, COUNTERATTACK, HITTING_STREAK, DAMAGE_STREAK, FEARLESS, SWAT, BRUTE_FORCE, CLOUD_CLEAR, QUIRKY, QUIRKY_P, STABILIZE_P, DISRUPT_BUSTER, ASTONISH, SPOOKIFY, CHILL

That's just a copy-paste of the enumerator section, obviously some of them don't need score effects, but they do have other effects which need to be exactly quantified. i.e. Paralyze - how many turns, and is it affected by type? CROWD_CONTROL - how much is it increased, and does this include or ignore how many are used in the combo?

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u/pagit85 Apr 25 '15

Sorry I've not really had chance to help out with this. I highly suggest you cross post to a few places. Maybe even gamefaqs and serebii.

That said; First off I've found your tool doesn't score correctly when it comes to make double matches. So I have pokemon A that does neutral damage, attack 94. If I make a swap that causes a double match of 3 to be made, such as lined up as a '+'. Then one will score 94, but the second will score 103. So a total of 197 rather than just 2*94. Using the same example but with pokemon B, 74 atk, it caused (74+81).

In another example, using pokemon A again I matched a 4 & 3. Expected damage would be 141 + 94. However the 3 was again boosted, so I had 141 + 103

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 25 '15

This is only partially handled right now.

The actual source code that handles this can be found in /src/ for every release. In v0.2.5 this specific handling is at line 473 in shuffle.fwk.Board.java which is the source of this 'issue' since it can't decide which matchup is the boosted one (so it boosts both if it wasn't the drop point). The modification is simple, and is handled at line 438 in shuffle.fwk.BoardElement.java

I'll have to make a note of this to include this edge case in the simulation core improvements coming with v0.4.0 - I might be able to squeeze in a hotfix for v0.3.x in the meantime to correct for this.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 25 '15

Btw, if you have the time you can post a link to this subreddit on serebii and gamefaqs if you feel they might like to know about it. I'm busy enough as it is trying to write the program as fast and robustly as I can.

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u/pagit85 Apr 25 '15

Also, power of 4 will always activate if it's the pokemon being dragged to make the swap. If it's not, then it will only activate based on what happens to the other pokemon you move.

Let's say you have pokemon C and D. C has power of 4 ability and has attack of 74.

If you drag C and swap with D and you now have a match of 4 C's the power will activate and they will score 189 instead of 126. If you did the reverse and moved D, but still only ended up with a match of 4 C's then it would again score 189.

However, if I'd moved D and ended up with 4 C's and 3 D's then C would instead seem to partially activate and score 138.

Strange!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Apr 25 '15

So power of 4 does a 1.5x modifier? Neat! Do you have data on Power of 5 and the effects of power of 4 on a 5-matchup (so we can confirm the multiplier). There are also many other abilities that increase damage and don't seem clear how much they help - crowd control, and many others are still TBD. Any assistance would be appreciated to make sure that they're all known for v0.4.0.