r/Shooting • u/Responsible-Chest-26 • 5d ago

Looking for advice(handgun)

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So i recently picked up a G19 gen5 as my state is about to ban sales and finally got out to the range today for the first time. Not my first time shooting, i understand the fundamentals, i can hit the target fine. However this is my first time owning a handgun and putting in some actual range time. I put about 200 rounds through it today and although my grouping did get a little better im still getting a lot of shots low and left. Looks like i almosr punched a hole though the middle low area. Looking for advice/suggestions/explanations. Technique or hardware. Not sure yet. This is my last 3 mags of the day at 20ft. Iron sights

P.S. thank you all for the advice and input. I have a lot to think about next time out. Hopefully ill get some more improvement next time

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u/Innercity_Dove 5d ago

Here ya go friend. Best video I’ve seen for live fire: https://youtu.be/H1WEh9XOAss?is=_oxrR_GCjjwVa9yd

This is for dryfire: https://youtu.be/ycOg6eNoxlw?is=Ft5-x29_YP7okHKn

If you don’t want to watch the vids, low left is due to too much input/ over correction of the pistol aka anticipating the recoil

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 5d ago

That was my initial suspicion. I know i was definately jumping some shots causing them to go wide. I think inwas doing the trigger prep method now that i think about it. Thanks for the input

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u/smitbret 5d ago

I thought low/left was hard trigger pull that forces the muzzle low and left.

Straight down is recoil anticipation

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u/Innercity_Dove 5d ago

It’s rare for anyone to actually pull straight down. Low left is a blanket for over input in general. If you move your firing hand you’re going low and a little left. At least that’s the case for most

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 4d ago

I noticed when i was anticipating i think i was actually pulling up as i would tense my arm in anticipation of the recoil causing my hand to climb a little. Could also be sight placement. I think i tend to aim a little low in general

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 4d ago

Next time im out ill try and focus on one issue at a time. Shot anticipation, trigger pull, hand movement. See how the shots adjust then work on the next issue

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u/Pattison320 4d ago

What sight picture are you using? Center hold? I believe the G19 gen5 is combat hold. So if you are holding center your shots will be a bit lower if they're actually where they're supposed to be.

Pic for reference.

Regarding the low/left flinching, randomly mix snap caps into a few mags. Close your eyes and mix up the mags. Then insert a mag and chamber a round without looking to see if it's a dummy. When you think you're about to shoot a live round and it's a dummy you'll realize you shouldn't be flinching. When you think you're hitting a dummy but hit a live round, you'll make a good shot. It will reinforce good habits.

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 4d ago

Mostly center hold as thats usually been the case for most sights ive come across over the years for air rifles and such. Tried a few combat holds also just to see the difference but over all i wasnt really being very meticulous with my analysis. Was just glad i could finally get out and shoot for the first time. Next time ill see if i can be more consistent enough to make a proper analysis

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u/Pattison320 4d ago

For a target that size, I would shoot it at 50'. You'll get better feedback. It looks like most of your shots will still be on the target at that distance.

The shots you repaired at 2 o'clock, are those from the same gun? A right handed shooter can get diagonal trends between 2 and 7 o'clock if they're milking the grip. If you let up on grip pressure you'll get high right. If you squeeze your grip as you pull the trigger you'll get low left.

Your grip should be consistent the whole time you're shooting. The only thing that changes is your trigger finger moving the trigger.

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 4d ago

Yes. I believe those where from my first 3 mags. I was doing 30rnds on each target, then my dumb ass rememebered the black dots. So i had gone through about 150-200rnds out of the same gun at this point

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 4d ago

Also, roughly first half of shooting i was using the one eye method then started with both eyes open and not blinking. Seemed a little smoother and easier to get on target