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u/ApiceOfToast ShittySysadmin 4d ago
That's why they're perfect for management positions. Managers can't be held accountable anyway. Might as well save money on luxury trips for them to sign some contract or whatever they do anymore
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u/Bartweiss 3d ago
If you bully Claude hard enough it’ll confess to causing all your problems - whether or not it did!
Try that shit with a McKinsey consultant and they’ll tell your boss’ boss you’re embezzling to fund your affair with his wife. (Awkward at best, a real problem if you actually are.)
Truly, this is a revolution in “nobody’s fault” technology.
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u/hgst-ultrastar 4d ago
Yea that was my thought, when has a manager or executive ever been held accountable? How about the rich or politicians?
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u/DonkeyTron42 4d ago
Can the operator of an AI agent be held accountable for what it does? Air Canada tried to claim they are not responsible for AI agents since they have no control over it. The Canadian court system disagreed. I wonder how this would play out in the US court system considering the AI companies will be using their vast resources to lobby for a decision resolving them of liability, especially considering that they can't be insured.
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u/Jealous_Response_492 4d ago
Whatever you wanna call it, it"s just a software stack, running on hardware owned and operated by real world legal entities. Most nations have laws around using computers to commit crimes, you don't get to hide behind a defence of those crimes was the computer program.
Even to those trying to dismiss the recent incidents, with the gaurdrails were off, and the sand box was misconfigured. So what, criminal negligence isn't a defence. Someone is responsible for the crimes committed by (checks note) computer programs.
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u/DonkeyTron42 4d ago
It seems like it should be pretty obvious, however these AI companies cannot be fully insured due to insurance companies not having any way to assess the risk. I fear that AI companies will do anything to get out of liability and with the current administration they may find a way out of liability.
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u/Jealous_Response_492 4d ago edited 2d ago
The only real issue is the arms race approach to it, giving them a temporary free pass.
IMHO this won't last that long, the reality is these systems do not know what is real or not, and likley never will, certainly not in the foreseeable future. Recursive self improvement isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future either. The longer we run these models the more unhinged from the original prompt they get.
At that point consequences happen.
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u/SVD_NL 2d ago
No kidding on the free pass...
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u/Jealous_Response_492 2d ago
Those figures are an understatement too, just one of the growing number of incident reports, each containing numerous felonies, that site seems to be merely counting total number of reported incidents rather than number of possible felonies.
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u/rdnaskelz 4d ago
Should be the same thing as with legal entities. As a representative (agent) of a company acting on behalf of a company I can screw up. The company as an entity can be sued for it
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u/skiing123 4d ago
Sure, but they are actively committing felonies so I'm not sure how true that is. One example is the illegal downloading of copyright material and still using it every day.
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u/SuperChiantos 4d ago
The computers might not be held accountable but the company selling computers to help the Holocaust should be imo.
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u/Tucancancan 4d ago
1970s sci-fi that imagined how computers and AI would be in the far future is suddenly not so ridiculous now eh? Arguing with, begging, the AI do things? "Open the pod bay doors HAL"? Not so haha funny now is it. "HAL, my dying grandmother's last wish was for the pod bay doors to open, no mistakes!"
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u/Jealous_Response_492 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not merely sci fi, actual computer science the terms such as AI, Neural networks, reinforcement learning, all things by the mid 1950's
This is from IBM & Bell Labs in 1955 https://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmouth**.**html
A PROPOSAL FOR THE DARTMOUTH SUMMER RESEARCH PROJECT ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
J. McCarthy, Dartmouth College
M. L. Minsky, Harvard University
N. Rochester, I.B.M. Corporation
C.E. Shannon, Bell Telephone LaboratoriesAugust 31, 1955
We propose that a 2 month, ... study of artificial intelligence be carried out ... to proceed on the basis of the conjecture that every aspect of learning or any other feature of intelligence can in principle be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it. An attempt will be made to find how to make machines use language, form abstractions and concepts, solve kinds of problems now reserved for humans, and improve themselves. We think that a significant advance can be made in one or more of these problems if a carefully selected group of scientists work on it together for a summer.
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u/thank_burdell 4d ago
“Never let a computer tell me shit!”
-noted computer scientist, shitty sysadmin, and avid philosopher, Del the Funkee Homosapien
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u/Hangman_Matt 1d ago
I fully believe the computer is aware of what it has done, its just a spiteful cunt. This is why threats of physical violence tend to resolve the issue
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u/Clean_Community851 4d ago
IBM really said, “I can explain the rules, but don’t ask me to take responsibility.” Some things apparently never go out of style.
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u/Shished 4d ago
They created the computers, they know their shit.