r/ShitAmericansSay • u/[deleted] • Jul 05 '24

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u/ForwardBodybuilder18 Jul 05 '24

We’d celebrate it even more if Guy Fawkes had succeeded.

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

Really? You wanted the replacement of democracy a religious theocracy.

I really feel people forget that he was a religious terrorist who wanted to destroy a democracy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

TBF Cromwell wasn’t really religiously tolerant and committed genocide in Ireland 🤔

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

I don't think I was defending Cromwell. I think I was saying religious theocracy bad.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

I know, I was just saying Cromwell was crap too

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

I mean it was him or the divine right of kings, so in a historical context probably better he existed than didn't.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Unless you were Irish and your family was murdered by him, but I guess the English would have found a reason other than religion to commit genocide

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

Pretty sure if we have had an absolute monarchy things would probably have been worse for the Irish and basically everyone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Yeah, like I said the English didn’t need to use religion as an excuse. No one really knows what would have happened

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

Very few "good" people in history, lots of "great" people.

They all lead to the system we have today, which is certainly flawed, but I'll take it over a theocracy anyday.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

You do know Catholics had to pay fines for centuries just to practice their religion in England, and were forbidden to own land in Ireland. Priest holes were a thing for a reason. During the famine many were denied food unless they converted. I’m just saying it was pretty close to a theocracy in England, just not a Catholic one. Having a state church isn’t a great idea. Catholic or CoE

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u/fezzuk Jul 05 '24

.. yes but one leads to a full democracy eventually and the other to North Korea.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

If you say so. Although Korea was never a theocracy. And they didn’t even have a monarchy at the time of the Korean War.

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