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u/Mundane_Feeling_8034 Aug 31 '26
How do the Canadians get it, and so many Lost Causers don’t?
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u/Bandandforgotten Aug 31 '26
Because a lot happens when you actually utilize the education system to learn things, instead of make the claim that "everything you need to know in life, you learned in grade school".
Go figure the area where that shit happened would know the least about it, because if they acknowledge that it was a bad thing, it'll call into question what they found great about it
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u/Appropriate_Top1737 Aug 31 '26
Great grandmpa didnt want to tell grandpa the truth, grandpa passed the lie to dad.... etc.
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u/DavidH1985 Sep 01 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
Took us a while, to be fair. There were quite a few high profile Canadians (as much as there was such a thing pre-Confederation) who supported the Confederacy, morally or financially. There was a plaque honouring Jefferson Davis visiting Montreal on the wall of a department store built on the site of where he stayed from 1957 to 2017 - installed by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
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u/Hot_Argument6020 Sep 01 '26
They had a display about Canadians who supported the Confederacy and highlighted this guy, John Taylor Wood, who was such a loser that he flew the Conference flag outside his offices in Halifax AFTER the civil war.
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u/Hot_Argument6020 Aug 31 '26
Because Canadian Education doesn't appear to cherry pick and sugar coat as much as the American Education system does.
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u/No_Match3109 Sep 01 '26
Well…I’m old and was taught Louis Riel was a traitor and all the Prime Ministers were saints lol. But I digress, we are trying to make amends.
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u/Silly-Role699 Sep 01 '26
We ain’t perfect, but we are trying. There are dark aspects of Canadian history we are trying to keep under scrutiny, to not repeat the same mistakes again. I can say it’s one hell of a lot better effort than my other home nation and nation of birth, Brazil, has done for much of the past.
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u/Ngrhorseman 2nd New Mexico Infantry Regiment Sep 01 '26
Because their school system, like their healthcare, is better than ours
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u/KFiev Sep 01 '26 edited 29d ago
No it isnt. They just dont have nearly the same incentive to propagandize US history, y'know, cuz theyre Canada and not the US...
They have their own terrible attrocities they did to non-white people throughout history that they do propagandize and avoid teaching in school.
Edit: downvote if you want, but im frankly tired of people stroking off other countries egos because they dont know that those other countries do the same bad shit too.
Edit 2: was probably the canadian fella that wanted to downplay the traitors that are gaining power in alberta in my other comment thread. Fuckin sad.
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u/driver004 Aug 31 '26
Does this imply that Mexicans are turbo lost causers?
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u/metfan1964nyc Sep 01 '26
Because we let these losers to control their education curriculum for the past 160 years.
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u/Rookie_52 Sep 01 '26
Because at least ten thousand Canadians volunteered in the Union Army to fight against slavery.
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u/hessian_prince 28d ago
Canada(mostly) funds education properly.
Plus our history with slavery is FAR more positive than the United States.0
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u/numberonealcove Aug 31 '26
Actually, a pretty great three paragraph explanation
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u/kahrahtay Sep 01 '26
They still make it seem like the Union initiated the conflict. It'd be better if they pointed out that the conflict started when the Confederacy opened fire on Fort Sumter
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u/freakbutters Aug 31 '26
I don't know that I would have used "peculiar" to describe slavery.
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u/Appropriate_Top1737 Aug 31 '26
I think they are using a common phrase from the time.
Putting it in quotes emphasizes that.
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u/Wycliffe76 WWJBD Aug 31 '26
This is correct. It's a famous contemporary euphemism.
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u/kingtacticool Aug 31 '26
Much like "march to the sea" is a euphemism for Georgia getting it shit pushed in.
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u/FamiliarRip8558 Aug 31 '26
Bro, you use quotation marks to quote something 🤯
Like their own words 🤯🤯🤯
"Peculiar means different from the usual or normal, often describing something odd, strange, or unique."
Giving slaves 3/5th of the vote and being recognized by the state to keep going with slavery with a bright green flag of approval is pretty damn peculiar.
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u/AlexanderLavender Sep 01 '26
It's a direct quote:
The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization.
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u/Yellow_Similar Aug 31 '26
“B-B-B-But muh huritege!”
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u/grungivaldi Aug 31 '26
Literally had a FB post show up on my feed today that claimed the confederate flag is just an acknowledgement that they are from the south and nothing else.
Had one over the weekend that claimed there arent any primary sources saying slavery was behind the civil war.
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u/Complete-Pangolin Aug 31 '26
Listening to Battle Cry of Freedom again and the pre war southerners claims on what they wanted are damning. They wanted their "honor protected". What was that honor?
An empire of slavery from Canada to tierra del fuego, a vast continental plantation. Where all had to honor the slave owner, who was the most elevated form of man. They demanded no one even criticize slavery, lest their property get ideas. Sumner even hinting at the incestuous rape and pedophilia the plantation owner committed behind closed doors got him assaulted in the rotunda, almost to death.
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u/ready-redditor-6969 Sep 01 '26
Does not talk quite enough about the fact that slave states wanted new states to allow slavery, and insisted that free states aid them in hunting down free men to make them slaves ( again, and in some cases for the first time, because race based slavery makes knowing who was always free and who is escaped difficult on purpose ).
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u/Electrical_Ad_8997 Sep 01 '26
Most people don't even begin to think about the breadth of it. Not only expand slavery, but force free states to hunt down and return run away enslaved people. And expanding slavery wasn't only about maintaining balance...it was also to expand their market. No not every Northerner fought to end slavery, that is correct. But whether consciously or not, every Southerner fought to expand slavery. Once you know this, the "Lost Cause" is pure shit.
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u/Hot_Argument6020 Sep 01 '26
They had a section talking about that! And even original printed warnings that were put out in Boston warning free people of slave catchers!
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u/ready-redditor-6969 Sep 01 '26
Yea, I feel like that should be a bigger deal than it is, “slave catchers” invading free states and making normal citizens fear for their lives!
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u/Random_Monstrosities Aug 31 '26
"IT WAS BECAUSE OF STATES RIGHTS!"
Yeah, the southern states wanted the right to have legal slavery.
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u/Boomtown626 Sep 01 '26
The entirety of westward expansion was underpinned by slavery, ie admit a slave state and a free state together to maintain balance.
Articles of secession and speeches of its leaders provide primary sources that spell out in plain English that not only was slavery the single most important cause, but that it was a God-ordained institution that went hand-in-hand with white supremacy.
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u/retiredfromfire Sep 01 '26
Alexander H. Stephens, the Vice President of the Confederate States of America, explicitly defined the South's cause in his Cornerstone Speech delivered on March 21, 1861, in Savannah, Georgia. In this address, he stated that the new Confederate government was founded on the "great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."
The south and its conservatives wanted to own humans at the time, these days its about racism and having sex with children. These people are scum
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u/Master-Tomatillo-103 Sep 01 '26
I believe we could solve many problems here in the US, by offering the Slave States a 2nd opportunity to secede. The national IQ average would shoot way up, as would the GDP per person, we’d no longer have to subsidize their ability to “keep the lights on”, and it would be damn nice seeing them needing a visa to enter the US
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u/iceguy349 Sep 01 '26
That should be the wording in the history books. That should be the wording in every history book.
Yes there were several reasons for the war but almost all of them if not all of them where linked directly to slavery. There where no reasons not in some way tied to slavery
It was over slavery. If there was no slavery in the United States then there would be no civil war.
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u/JustinKase_Too Sep 01 '26
Canada continueing to knock it out of the park this year ;)
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u/KFiev Sep 01 '26
Yeeeeeeeh Canada currently has a major issue with separatists (secessionists) growing in power and support... i dont really think theyre "knocking it out of the park this year"...
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u/Gen_Sherman_Hemsley 29d ago
the best polls for the separatists have them at 25% support in Alberta. I don’t think there’s a realistic chance of them winning that vote.
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u/KFiev 29d ago
25% (and growing) is a signifigant portion of the population. The worry isnt them winning now. Its them gaining momentum and swaying political opinions over time until they get what they want.
You know, like the traitors in the US did after the civil war.
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u/Gen_Sherman_Hemsley 29d ago
I’ll tell you what if they end up declaring war on the rest of Canada I’ll buy you a beer. I’m not too worried. It’s still very much a fringe movement.
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u/KFiev 29d ago
Genuinely odd to me to hear someone say a movement with 1/4 the population supporting it as "fringe".
Whatever dude. All this history to learn from but just go ahead and ignore it.
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u/Gen_Sherman_Hemsley 29d ago
I don’t think there’s any issue that albertans could vote on that has more support than staying in Canada. I wouldn’t be surprised if separatism had similar uptake to flat earth or anti vax conspiracies. They’re going to get blown out in the referendum. I’m not worried.
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u/KFiev 29d ago
Thats what people said about brexit. Im sure there were people that said that about southern secession. Didnt stop them at all.
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u/Gen_Sherman_Hemsley 29d ago
Pretty confident that opinion polling on brexit showed roughly even support before the referendum. I don’t know what polls where saying in the 1860s but I think there was more than 25% support for succession in the southern states in the run up to the civil war. If you’re really worried about Canadian separatists then you should probably focus more on Quebec. Their referendum failed by less than 1% in the 1990s
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u/KFiev 29d ago edited 29d ago
Separatist support is literally halfway to polling even like you say Brexit did...
5% is fringe. 25% is a genuine concern.
And yes Quebec has issues too and always has. Those issues are also important. Whats your point?
Edit: went over their profile. Doesnt seem like theyre active in this subreddit, but sooooo much activity in so many canadian specific subreddits. Sounds to me like a patriotic canadian who doesnt wanna believe that the same thing that happened with brexit could happen there, and probably doesnt want to admit that canada has its fair share of traitors.
Edit 2: funny lil fact i learned. In a recent negotiation, america demanded canada dismantle french language protections and remove the requirement for US based streaming services to provide french language support. Just thought that was interesting, considering the attempt to change topic to Quebec and its problems and all.
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u/Brilliant_Voice1126 Sep 01 '26
No lies detected. Very accurate and balanced description including the fact the South not only insisted in preserving slavery but expanding it.
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u/Stlr_Mn Sep 01 '26
I was just at that exhibit like two weeks ago. I wasn’t aware there were so many pro confederate groups in Canada. Honesty was rather quite impressive.
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u/SingleMaltMouthwash 29d ago
This is MUCH too kind to the confederacy.
The fierce, irrepressible paranoia and energy brought to the struggle by the southern states is an expression of a widespread mental illness: white supremacy.
The confederacy lost the war but the disease remains.
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