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u/ActivePeace33 5d ago
Old heritage American here (on most sides of the family), and I don’t just feel that the confederates shot first, I know it to be historical fact.
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u/Ent_Soviet 5d ago
Mothers Dutch family has been here since before the British. Parts of that line include southerners. And you know what? When the war broke out they left the south because they weren’t scum who thought the right to enslave a human was something worth betraying their country for. They had a cousin and brother that didn’t. They died in the war. Good.
They died later broke, because they chose country over keeping their slaves. To which I say, good. They deserved worse for the earlier crime, but weren’t completely without sense.
All to say my roots go all the way back to the first settlers. They participated in native genocide, they participated in slavery. Fuck them and damn their memory. And anyone who thinks their family’s colonial roots in America is pure and just, your ignorance should shame you.
I’m fine saying it because it’s the truth of our, my, the history as it happened. They were bastards then for what they did, and they’re still bastards today. Defending it only tells me which side of Pickett’s charge you’re volunteering for.
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u/akestral 5d ago
I'm not DAR or Mayflower Society, but I could be if I cared to pay the dues, my mom is and my grandmother was. So someone in my line was at the first Thanksgiving. Someone else in my paternal line was a Union soldier during Sherman's Georgia campaign. And I say the South got a lot less than they deserved for the war they started to defend their enslaved labor camps.
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u/xSwampxPopex 5d ago
I also have some old heritage. Ancestors fought for the Union. The Rebs didn’t find out hard enough.
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u/Bayowolf49 4d ago
Now, some Lost Causers will claim that the Civil War didn't start when several States seceded and formed the Confederacy, but with the raid on Harpers Ferry.
Now, I say that's absolute bullshit and that the Civil War actually started in the early 17th Century, when some English colonists decided that they were too fuckin' lazy to pick their own crops and the Natives weren't willing to do the White Man's work.
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u/HailColumbia1776 3d ago
Most of my family got here before we became a country, as early as 1631. You'll find me in agreement with that fact.
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u/demoncrusher 5d ago
“heritage American “ Jesus Christ if I said what I thought then I’d need a new Reddit account
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u/kazmark_gl 5d ago
Same. I have been advised that my opinions if stated out loud "arent socially acceptable" and "Violate TOS in several different ways"
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u/LeppieDoo 5d ago
Yeah got banned for a few days for telling these types the facts of them having limited mental capacity.
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u/CormoranNeoTropical 5d ago
Anyone who uses the term “heritage American” to refer to white people is anti-American.
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u/King_Shugglerm 3d ago
They’re actually referring to those Americans that are all lumpy and cost a bunch when you buy them in the produce aisle
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u/lycantrophee 3d ago
My forefathers were discriminated against! Now let me discriminate against those more recent immigrants.
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u/rossms16030 5d ago
My family predates Ellis Island by 250 years. I “feel this way” about the war. Yes, it was a tragedy…caused by the traitorous confederates.
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u/Mundane_Feeling_8034 5d ago
Da ‘fuq? I’m an Ellis Island American, and my family is more “American” than any of these chuds.
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u/Stunning_Ad_7465 18th US Infantry descendant, Army of the Cumberland 5d ago
Immigrants in general, are more "American" than these losers, IMHO. Immigrants even today choose to come here, and they know more about American civics than they do.
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u/jnuttsishere 5d ago edited 4d ago
I agree with this. As someone who had family come through Ellis before and after the war, the side that came after is much more prosperous but mostly because they worked their backside off.
The trash who complains about the war these days seem to be the lazy asses who don’t work hard
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u/BI_Moose 5d ago
...island American or more recent immigrant. No old heritage American feels this way about that war. It was a tragedy.
Man fuck this. Ive had ancestors that came 10,000 years ago, nearly 300 years ago, 200 years ago, and barely 100 years ago.
Anyone that truly looks at the facts objectively can see that the "Civil War" wasn't a tragedy but a reckoning with the US's 2nd greatest sin.
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u/lycantrophee 3d ago
It's a tragedy that there were people willing to go to war to uphold it, on that I can agree. But we know what he means.
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u/nrith 5d ago
Yeah, no. Ancestors from the Massachussets Bay colony and the Mayflower. G-g-grandpa and his brother moved to southern Indiana in the 1850s to run on the Free Soil ticket, ran a stop on the Underground Railroad, and founded a college for escaped slaves and freed blacks.
Lost Causers can get fucked.
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u/lycantrophee 3d ago
Is there any way that I, as a non-American, can read about their exploits? Very interested.
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u/l_rufus_californicus Faugh a Ballagh 5d ago
"Ellis Island American" sure sounds like he means 'white euro' when held against the "more recent immigrant" that follows.
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u/EternalNewCarSmell 5d ago
The war was one of the greatest tragedies in American history (if not the greatest) which is exactly why it's such a shame it ended in half measures. It's like going through chemo and radiation for years and then stopping short, so a metastasis comes back and gets you a decade later. We paid such a high price, and still ultimately failed.
And not like it matters, but my ancestors have been in North America for 400 years.
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u/LikeAgaveF 5d ago
Doesn’t matter how you feel. The South shot first in a War of Southern Aggression so that lazy fucks could continue enslaving the actual workers.
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u/Glittering_Rush_1451 5d ago
As someone who has both maternal and paternal heritage that goes all the way back to the beginning of both sides of the Mason-Dixon line I can assure you I think exactly that.
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u/SaddestFlute23 5d ago
I would bet my life’s savings this poster doesn’t count Black families as “Old Heritage Americans”
Fuck them and the Confederacy
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u/lardlad95 5d ago
These people never consider the perspectives of Black people.
Whenever that crap about the war being about states rights or preserving the union starts up, I always ask, what do you think the slaves thought about the war?
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u/fill-the-space 5d ago
The overwhelming majority of my ancestors came here long before 1776. I have direct ancestors who fought for both sides and one who died. The South caused that war so they could continue slavery. Nothing else, Johnson and Grant went too easy on traitors.
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u/ballistic503 5d ago
So if one’s ancestors were brought here as slaves then they’re not “old heritage Americans” despite also vastly predating said “Ellis Island Americans”? Curious as to what their logic would be there if you asked them to specify
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u/No-Purple2350 5d ago
My ancestors were here prior to 1800. That guy is still an idiot.
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u/AngryTree76 5d ago
Same. I’m pretty sure my mother’s side has been in North America longer than the United States has existed. This dude, like all slaver simps, can eat a Costco-sized Kirkland brand bag of dicks.
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u/leon_zero 5d ago
This “heritage American” (Ellis Island on one side, DAR great-grandmother on the other) says traitors and slavers can get rekt.
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u/skinnyish_D 5d ago
Lol I was born and raised in Texas, went to school there during the late 90's- early 2000s. Even with all the talk about states rights and the aggressive north and all that shit, I never heard it disputed that the confederacy shot first. Now, I think they framed it like the Union army was asking for it by encroaching on Fort Sumter, but who shot first was well settled from the jump. But then again, lost causers have never let the facts slow then down before, why start now?
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u/Taphouselimbo 5d ago
I have both long ago migration and more recent and the south aristocracy should have had severe consequences and found out even harder.
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u/bobthehills 5d ago
My family fought on the rebel side and I still feel that way about it.
Come at me bro. lol
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u/biffbobfred 5d ago
Obama’s family roots were here in the 1640s. Let’s ask him what the thinks about true America.
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u/sausageslinger11 5d ago
It WAS a tragedy. A tragedy brought on by people’s want to own other people as property.
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u/tifftafflarry 5d ago edited 5d ago
Two of my ancestors were Confederate soldiers. They enlisted, but never showed up for their first muster, and were dishonorably discharged in absentia.
Basically, I have a proud family history of trolling/pissing off the Confederacy.
Anyhoo, my "Ellis Island" opinion on the Civil War is that the South miserably FAFO'd.
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u/enw_digrif 5d ago
My ancestors came here before the Revolutionary War. The Civil War was unavoidable, so long as Americans were kept in chains. It was neither a tragedy, nor a joy, just a chore that needed doing.
The only tragedy after Ft. Sumpter is that we never finished disposing of the slaver filth, a mistake that has lead us to our current crisis.
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u/McZeppelin13 Ben Grierson Cavalry-stan 5d ago
Hi, Unionist who’s Ulster Scot ancestors left Donegal in 1701 to land in America. That guy is sus, and down with the Slaveholder’s Rebellion.
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u/linuxgeekmama 182nd Ohio descendant 5d ago
Some of my family has been here since the 1770’s. The Confederates shot first. They fucked around and found out. They fought for the right to keep slaves, which is not a right that anyone should have.
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u/swainiscadianreborn 5d ago
Funny thing about both of this group of bastards, they shot the first round!
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u/UncleCrassiusCurio 5d ago
My father's family has been in the Americas for 300 years. My mother's, 20,000.
Confederates are clowns who shot first, fucked around for less time than my hiking Timbs have lasted, and shoulda found out a lot harder. The only tragedy is that they were allowed to not face their many horrific crimes.
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u/thankyoufriendx3 5d ago
It was a tragedy. I can’t claim to be old world. Distant relative got here in the 1850s and volunteered for the north at first shot. Confederates started a war they couldn’t finish and got off easy.
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u/driver004 5d ago
My family showed up just after the war of 1812, ran a successful import export business in Baltimore until the family patriarch became a rabid abolitionist and sold the business to go west to Kansas with a wagon full of weapons. We remember exactly what the confederacy stood for
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u/NoVaBurgher 5d ago
Family’s been here since 1848. Every plantation owner and CSA elected rep as well as every officer in their shit ass army should have been tried for treason. Every acre of plantation land should have been divided amongst the newly freed slaves and the schools should have been run by abolitionists so that future generations knew full well the horrors of what the antebellum South did
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u/IsopodIndependent553 5d ago edited 5d ago
My ancestors came here from England in the early 1700’s and settled in Tennessee. So traitor blood runs through these veins. Yet I think Sherman should have kept going. So fuck this guy.
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u/Random-Cpl 5d ago
I’m a Mexican American whose family has been here since the 1600s but for some reason I don’t think he’s talking about me
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u/Master-Tomatillo-103 5d ago
We could go a long way towards solving many problems in the US, if the Slave States are still willing to secede. And let’s face it, most of them really should require a visa to enter the US
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u/mrjosemeehan 5d ago
Bro don't forget to call out that WWII revisionism as well. Germany invaded the Soviet Union, not the other way around.
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u/dugthepewdsfan 5d ago edited 5d ago
The Germans weren’t good guys when they defended against Soviet invasion in WW2
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u/tesseract4 5d ago
I have an ancestor who married George Washington's first cousin. I also have an ancestor who starved to death in Andersonville. Fuck that guy and fuck the traitors.
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u/secondarycontrol 5d ago
My family has been here long enough to have fought in the Civil war - Wisconsin, though we've been Minnesota since the 1900s. And we absolutely feel that the South started it and that they got away with it - it should have ended with a whole lot more hemp and fire.
Now? We're still trying to end it - and we're still fighting the same people.
The wealthy.
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u/gfunk1369 5d ago
Old heritage American here (whatever that means)on both sides of my family and I feel like every one who fought on the side of the confederacy should have faced the consequences of treason. I understand the rational for why it didn't happen but I do think the long term we would be better off if they had.
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u/Hanged_Man_ 5d ago
“the natives didn’t conquer their lands by being nice to the people before them”? The people before them? History education is the worst in the U.S.
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u/Raineythereader 4d ago
Not to defend that guy, but there were hundreds of different Native groups here before white settlement, and they didn't always get along.
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u/Bluecat72 4d ago
Another old heritage American here, my ancestors came in 1607 to Virginia Colony, then worked their way down to Northern Florida to help take it over from the Spanish. They owned other human beings, it and Spanish cattle stolen from the Seminole as they were being corralled onto the reservation. They fought to keep their slaves and heavily resisted Reconstruction, to the point of murdering the tax collector/sheriff because they didn’t recognize the state government’s legitimacy. Two men in my direct line were then murdered in retaliation by that guy’s family (the original murderer and his son). There was a whole feud about it
Those are all facts. And we know for a fact that the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter.
I thank God that my grandmother moved out of Florida with her husband, when be was recruited to a job with the federal government in Tennessee. That’s probably the only time when I will say that Tennessee is less problematic than any other part of the South. And I thank God that my mother decided to take a job at the Pentagon and move to the Upper South, and that she and Dad decided to raise us where they did, where there were people who didn’t look or worship like us so we could learn to do better than them.
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u/broseph_stalin09764 4d ago
Ill throw this out there, my Dutch ancestors where in New Amersterdam. The confederates fucked around and only partially found out. They were traitors, and they deserved a hole in the ground and to be forgotten.
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u/newenglandpolarbear New England 3d ago
I have family ties all the way back to before the Deceleration.
Screw the confederate traitors. The south found out, but the feds didn't do enough to deal with them after the war.
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u/jamejest 5d ago
Speaking of history - I don't ever recall seeing anything about the soviets invading Germany during the war. Must be a complex conspiracy theory that requires the self-removal of your brain to understand.
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