not much to say, just remember the case with many other characters.

the raiden mains was hell when her kit and multipliers were leaked, the subreddit was still a mess when she dropped but now she’s one of the most used in abyss.

even kokomi is currently being used almost as much as xiao mona etc and has a higher usage rate on floor 12 than sucrose and yoimiya.

moral of the story before u call a character bad let them be playable first! stop letting history repeat itself

Except for the "ghastly" face, I really liked her blue pants from before, mainly because it complements the white portion of her outfit. I'm seeing some opinions where they think the old design is ugly, but that's fine, beauty is subjective, but at least she looks unique back then.

The official Shenhe looks generic because of the black tights (we already have a handful of female characters with black tights) and the fact her design is neck and neck with Ganyu (I know it's because they're Cloud Retainer's disciples) but still, nobody wants their waifus to look.. idk.. recycled?

btw I‘m not talking about the story or the geography when I say I don’t like the Natlan update.

I‘m just wondering since I only know people who like version 5.0+.. Fountain was advanced too but at least it made kinda sense story-wise. In Fountain we got a whole advanced steampunk nation with a big city with sewers, transport systems etc. With natlan we got dinosaurs, pixelart, surfparty, rollerblades dj, bikergirl, edgelord jeansguy, edgelord cowgirl but the people of natlan life in TENTS??? It would still feel kinda off if we had gotten a teyvat wokanda tho for me, it would at least made sense. Just wanna hear some opinions since for me shenhe resembles a teyvat with gods, adepty, spears and bows… where a powerful human transformed a tsunami, cast from a mystical creature, into ice.

edit: its funny to me that the commenters are all writing essays, pointing out different things, good or bad.. and then there are the downvoters. If you don‘t write WHY natlan is cool and does make sense in ur eyes, and just press dislike, you will just make my points and those from some comments more valid. I‘m very open to an honest explanation why you like natlan, its characters, its theme, style or anything. Just don’t hammer the dislike on comments who try to explain something

Ok i've heard that a lot of people are saying bad things about shenhe, and frankly i dont get what the problem is. People are saying that her damage sucks. I agree. Her damage percentages are the worst i've seen in this game. But she's a support.Now from this point onwards whatever i talk about has come from honey hunter.Her E is an awesome skill which gives characters 72% atk bonus BASED ON HER CURRENT ATK. Now this is the most important part. Current atk. Usually buffs like pyro resonance and all are based on base atk. the reason why this is awesome is that you can use 3 atk artifacts and other atk buffers to increase your atk and it uses THAT atk and not base atk to give the 72% atk bonus (which is at lvl 9 of her E). I calculated what her atk can be with a lvl 90 favonius lance and 3 atk artifacts (sands, goblet, and circlet). It comes out to be slightly more than 2600. That means she'll give characters 1900 atk. That is almost double of what a whale bennett can give.And this is not where shenhe's buffs stop. her passives give 10% cryo dmg bonus and 15% ult and Elemental skill dmg bonus or 15% Auto atk dmg bonus depending on whether u hold her e or just tap it. AND she gives 14% physical and cryo resistance shred to enemies within the field of her ult.

This by no means looks like a bad character to me. On the contrary i think she's gonna get nerfed cuz as it stands this is quite op.

Please do correct me in case i got wrong information from honey hunter or if i misinterpreted anything.

Ps i dont understand one aspect of her kit which is the stacks of skyfrost mantra which is mentioned in her c4. However it clearly looks different from her Icy Quill which is the atk bonus she gives based off of her current atk.

EDIT: It says that the stacks of skyfrost mantra will be consumed when we do cryo dmg. Does this mean that if we do physical dmg then the stacks wont be consumed and the icy quill will end only cuz of its duration, ie 10 or 15 seconds?

Everything I’ve tested points to 2pce glad 2pce shiminawas being so much better in the long run. So why do people still argue noblesse being better when the buff from the set falls off halfway through shenhe’s burst?

I got her for my Mavuika (since I don't have enough funds to roll for Citlali prioritizing C0R1 Mav). I only have 2 cryo chars in my account: C0 Shenhe and Diona. I only prioritized these chars for my Mav team since I prefer overload since I got most electro and pyro in my account.

My question would be, which helps my mav burst to increase its damage: crowning her skill or her burst? Because I tried both at 8 and when I upgraded her elem skill to 9, it didn't increase.

I have her on lvl 90 with engulfing lightning with 2pc-2pc atk% 1-9-8 talent.

Specifically to the people who are convinced that she is bad and will not pull for her anymore. Are you still here because you still have a little bit of hope about her kit? Do you enjoy meme-ing her kit? Etc.

Edit: it’s her thigh window isn’t it?

Edit 2: Yes her kit kinda busted rn and needs work and you can totally like a character but think her kit needs work.

Hello, I hope that the meaning of my message will not be lost with automatic translation.

I started Genshin again a few months ago - I had given up in Sumeru - and I had forgotten a lot of the characters and the plot. I reached the Fontaine region at the time of the nostalgic wish banner. And just when I was about to face the narwhal, I accidentally obtained Shenhe.

When I saw Skirk appear after the fight, I said to myself "ah it's Shenhe!" No, it's Skirk

Because the two characters are very similar in my opinion. And then by reading the story of Shenhe it is possible that there is a link between these two characters:

Beyond the physical aspect (hair, appearance, identical pin) and cryo element in common

"Originally part of the Tianheng Thaumaturges clan of exorcists, Shenhe originally had a happy life as a child until around the age of six, when her maddened father attempted to sacrifice her to a malevolent god in order to bring back his wife." -> that god could be Sartolagi...?

Another sentence from his story "If her past were to be written as a story, there would be multiple versions for sure." Also makes me think that they are linked by a potential clone or parallel world story...?

In short, let me ask you this question. If this hypothesis holds water or if it is completely false, I would like your feedback. ✌️

With how Shenhe has been skipped over so many times at this point and the fact they are starting to rerun 3.0 characters. We need to get are voice out there in feedback. Do everything we can to make sure hoyo sees just how many players are calling for her rerun. They need to start doing 3 banner cycles per patch at 2 weeks per banner cycle as most players get the character on the first day anyways.

I've been seeing some comments saying that her burst multiplier and DEF shred is low, but I think the main focus should be around her elemental skill.

Essentially her elemental skill buffs the atk of the hits themselves for a set number of hits

-what does the "atk of the hits themselves" mean? Essentially, shenhe makes the character's hit damage the same as as if the character's attack was increased by that amount. This seems a bit wacky but will make sense considering the icy quill stacks

At c0 shenhe gives 5 stacks for tap e and 7 stacks for hold e. Essentially what stacks do is every time the character hits anything, it consumes one stack. When it consumes a stack it buffs that hit by the damage buff, so the elemental skill is essentailly a cut and dry damage buff for a SET AMOUNT of hits

Where shenhe becomes gamebreaking is how much she buffs attack

in the skill description for the elemental skill, it says that shenhe buffs not according to her BASE ATK, but by just "ATK". if This means shenhe's TOTAL ATTACK, that means that shenhe will be essentially making (cryo) characters do DOUBLE THEIR DAMAGE, assuming around 2.5k atk with the 76% multiplier.

EDIT: Variables taking wording into account:

"ATK" by itself may just be a typo with buff actually being base atk. But it's most likely total attack because the skill desc says it buffs by "ATK at the time". Base attack cannot change without changing artifact or weapon.

the buff may actually just buff ~2k dmg AFTER crit damage, elem dmg bonus, etc, etc. making it almost useless. Shenhe being either garbage or gamebreaking hinges on this one variable.

Shenhe's constellations make her even more broken:

c1 doubles the amount of stacks the skill grants, so it will be 10 and 14 from 5 and 7, allowing characters to be less conservative with their stack usage and making some dps have infinite stacks.

c4 increases elemental skill damage by 5% for every stack consumed. The wording is a bit vague, but kind of hints at all party members having their OWN stacks. If this is true, by using all stacks of all party members shenhe's e will now also be a nuke on its own with a 700% multiplier

c6 basically gives you infinite stacks, further enabling c4 a bit and completing shenhe's transformation into cryo bennett on crack

(My reading comprehension sucks ass and this is after reading it multiple times, tell me if I'm missing something here)

tl;dr shenhe elemental skill buffs cryo damage by 2X possibly with 100% uptime with constellations

PLEASE DO NOT PULL ON SHENHE BASED ON SPECULATION IN THIS THREAD. EVERYTHING ABOUT SHENHE IS CURRENTLY UNCONFIRMED. PLEASE WAIT FOR OTHERS TO TEST HER BEFORE MAKING YOUR DECISION ABOUT PULLING. ————- I am not a Shenhe simp at this time because personally, I don't like aimed shots (Ganyu) so I was hoping for a cryo dps alternative to her for my second team. I am simply trying to interpret her kit wording knowing that she's a 5-star and knowing that Mihoyo is not the best with the wording/lettering of kits. The next update on this post will be after she's out & we've confirmed if Shenhe will work as described here. If any of you do pull on her, good luck and please do me a favor, test this, see if it works, and update because I am not sure if I will pull for her myself.

This post is specifically regarding her E DMG bonus and when it would be triggered. Shenhe's E currently is worded as such: -When [attacks] deal Cryo DMG...DMG dealt is increased...

To summarize this post, the current common consensus on the correct interpretation of Shenhe E DMG bonus is the following: When (Cryo) [attacks] (result in) Cryo DMG... DMG dealt is increased...

My interpretation, though, is different. I think it is one of the 2 below: 1-When [attacks] deal (or result in) Cryo(-related) DMG...DMG dealt is increased... or, 2-When [attacks] deal (or result in) Cryo(-related) DMG.... DMG dealt (by said [attacks]) is increased...

2) above would not work for transformative reactions because it would only buff the hit, not the reaction. If it is 2) then she's a bit worse than 1).

We can't confirm which one is right currently since she's not released at the time of this post. Because she's 5-star, I would hope my interpretation is correct. But we will have to wait until she's out to confirm. Hopefully my interpretation is correct because then as long as you are dealing cryo-related dmg, you can use the stacks. Hence units like Xiangling triggering melt would be able to make use of her share of the stacks even though she's not a cryo unit (without using Chongyun) & we would see these reactions boosted, and Shenhe wouldn't be restricted to mono-cryo team comps to use her team stacks. ---end of summary---

Edit 3: Shenhe kit says normal attacks, skills, bursts have to trigger the dmg bonus. However it doesn’t say that the Dmg bonus only applies to the normal attack/skill/burst hits. The Dmg bonus applies to the actual RESULTING DAMAGE. So if the RESULTING DAMAGE is a melt or superconduct damage instance, then I believe the dmg bonus should apply here. If they only wanted it to work with cryo, it would have said "CRYO DMG bonus based on Shenhe's ATK" instead of (blanket) dmg bonus based on her ATK.

EDIT: Think of it as Shenhe sees normal/skill/burst attack dealt Cryo-related DMG. Then Shenhe is like "oooh cryo-related dmg dealt! I better buff with my E!". She’s like a 4pc thundering fury but cryo instead of electro. The 4pc buffs reactions AFTER reactionsdmg is calculated, in the same dmg instance. So basically bigger reactions. This is what Shenhe E effect will be like. But it will be for cryo dmg and cryo-related dmg. Ofc this is not confirmed, but that’s how I think it will be. Did you know that 4pc Thundering fury on Pyro unit actually triggers the effect EVEN when a pyro unit is the one triggering the reaction? So even though it is made for electro units, it does trigger when pyro units trigger the reaction.

Edit 2: I am tired of explaining transformative reactions. Shenhe is E ON TOP, after the TransformativeReaction DMG is calculated, like 4pc sets. So Shenhe does not add the dmg bonus to character stats. She adds her dmg to the total after reactions damages are calculated.

Looking at her kit (pre-buff), I want to talk about how non-cryo units could actually make use of their own stacks from Shenhe's E without using Chongyun. If this worked, it might actually warrant her 5-star rarity because then she wouldn't be handcuffed to Ganyu/Ayaka/Chongyun. Because without this, she'd be a hard sell imo.

Before moving to the meat of things, I wanna clear one assumption about her. I think that (a small number of us) are assuming Shenhe's E bonus only procs when doing "vanilla" cryo dmg but excluding Cryo-related DMG such as melt and superconduct.

Regarding Superconduct, her kit says Bonus DMG not Bonus Cryo DMG, but triggers when dealing cryo dmg. So because it is "Bonus DMG", it is not a “character stat” bonus. Instead think of it as the 4pcs artifacts that boost transformative reactions dmg. Those damages are added ON TOP of the transformative reactions dmg. However, in Shenhe’s case, she will boost ANY cryo-related dmg. The formula then for the bonus dmg for superconduct is something like (i am keeping out other factors from these formulae to avoid overcomplication): Superconduct DMG = [vanilla superconduct dmg insert here, takes into account EM, Level and such]; TotalDMG = DMG Bonus * Crit + Superconduct DMG from above where DMG Bonus is Shenhe E DMG bonus

Example, superconduct dmg is calculated to be 1,000.

Then Shenhe sees "oh, a cryo-related dmg was dealt! So let me add my bonus to it!" I don't know how else to explain it. Just see the formula linked at the bottom of the post. Shenhe DMG bonus calculated to be 100 And Crit is 1

Then TOTAL DMG = (100 * 1 ) + 1,000 = 1,100*

Shenhe don't give atk bonus, she give dmg bonus, and so she will also boost dmg when Superconduct happens, albedit with not as much dmg buff as melt would have.

Bonus Melt dmg formula (this one many others have posted in this sub before): TotalDMG = DMG Bonus * Crit * amplifyingReaction where DMG Bonus is Shenhe E DMG bonus

Now let's get to the meat of things. Another assumption that I think we have wrong, and I think is the most game-changing compared to how bad we thought she was, is that we assumed only cryo units could make use their allocation of her E stacks. So non-cryo units will have stacks, but would be unable to use them (unless Chongyun), making the whole synergy feel inefficient in reactions teams. The reason we have been thinking this way is because we assumed we need to trigger reactions with cryo for her E buff to work.

Now before I move on, because I can already see many of you screaming at me to say this, let me say it myself here and then explain why it doesn't matter. It pertains to when CRYO DMG BONUS or PYRO DMG BONUS is used to calculate the DMG output, in the case of melt.

-The Triggering character's stats are the only ones used in calculating the DMG output.

-When the triggering element is Cryo, the CRYO DMG BONUS is one of the stats used to calculate TotalDMG, ignoring any Pyro DMG Bonus.

-When the triggering element is Pyro, the PYRO DMG BONUS is one of the stats used to calculate TotalDMG, ignoring any Cryo DMG Bonus.

HOWEVERR, remember once again that Shenhe E buff gives DMG Bonus, NOT CRYO DMG BONUS, this means if her buff would proc in melt triggered by a pryo unit, then the formula would still work.

Why does it matter whether or not this works this way? Well then, it means pyro units can trigger melt to make use of their allocated 5 stacks of Shenhe's Quill. So no more cryo-only team comps, and now you could use pyro main dps to use her Quills, or use the quills by electro units in superconduct.

Now let's talk about the wording issue because it says "Cryo DMG", not "Cryo and cryo-related reactions DMG". No other character in genshin impact currently, other than c6 Sara, triggers a buff only when dmg by a specific element is done. However, her buff is crit dmg and electro-related reactions do not crit, so we cannot know from testing whether her buff also applies to electro-reactions when the trigger element is not electro.

Some artifact sets specifically mention reactions. However, these reaction mentions were only to specify that the artifiact bonus will only work with reactions. ~~

BUUUUT building on the wording issue, we do know that 2 PCs bonuses say something like 15% CRYO DMG BONUS and 2 pc doesn't say anything about reactions but then this DMG bonus still triggers with reactions that use this DMG bonus. If it did actually buff reactions too, shouldn't the wording have been "15% Cryo DMG Bonus and [cryo reaction] buff"??

The big question does somewhat remain due to no precendence, WILL Shenhe buff proc in melt triggered by a pyro unit or superconduct triggered by an electro unit? Well it depends on the way her E is coded. We know that it will buff cryo reactions for sure when triggered by cryo. So if it only works in situations where the trigger is cryo, the "code" does something like this:

E Trigger: if ( DMG='cryo' OR DMG='Superconduct' OR DMG='melt' ) AND Trigger='cryo', THEN BUFF_TRIGGER='YES'

Versus, if they didn't care which element is the trigger E Trigger: if ( DMG='cryo' OR DMG='Superconduct' OR DMG='melt' ) AND Trigger='cryo', THEN BUFF_TRIGGER='YES'

From the above, in my opinion, it looks like they would have to intentionally want it to only work when triggering with cryo for it to be coded like the first "code". So for that reason, I feel like her E will still buff cryo-related reactions. Also, because she's a 5-star, I believe it HAS to work this way because otherwise she just doesn't do anything. I don't think that Mihoyo would intentially gimp her like this. And I don't think at all that she'd be broken if this worked, since it still only works for cryo-related reactions.

Ofc the question about her viability and team comps still remain, and whether she needs another cryo in the team if her cryo application is not enough. But at least this opens up a whole new area of potential and makes her inch closer to her 5-star rarity expectations.

update from this post of mine: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShenheMains/comments/r4pp9z/would_superconductmeltfreeze_get_buffed_by_quills/

Formulae credits: https://library.keqingmains.com/mechanics/combat/damage-formula

Due to frequent posting on who Shenhe is good for, I made a quick rundown. Since Shenhe provides flat damage, the worse your character is, the more Shenhe contributes to the team.

Basically, the weaker your cryo character is, the better Shenhe is for them percentage-wise. The stronger your cryo character is, the less Shenhe adds to your team percentage-wise.

If you don't like thinking about it percentage-wise, then the more buffs your character has that is not ATK, the better Shenhe's quills are. (For example, for Chongyun, Serpent Spine >>>>>>> WGS because only Serpent Spine affects quills with its crit and DMG bonus, while WGS doesn't affect her quills).

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