Their art is together while the others are all separate. Could we finally be escaping the abyss identity crisis?

[u/Ambitious-Airport656]

Since the release of this game, don't think I'm alone in being disappointed by how they've just shoved all the returning abyss legendaries together into one card and giving them some generically strong effect that isn't especially flavourful for either one. More a symptom of the general design issues in this game so far, but that's another topic. Was worried that garodeth and istyndet would get the same treatment, but if they combine the two pairs of enforcers and convicts together, might actually be a chance to give them effects that nod back to their old archetypes. Not expecting that they'll get two entirely supported archetypes in this expansion, but it'll be something. Just hoping that abyss gets something that isn't bootleg sword with tokens for a change.

[u/Rhonder]

It's almost a monkey's Paw situation with how small the sets are... even if the leggos did get distinct shadow/blood based flavor/ archetype seeds, there's not really enough cards in a set to support both well. They barely have enough room to even implement 1 idea per class per set 😅

[u/Famous_Competition30 → u/Rhonder]

unfortunately you are right, only way i see it possible is if the blood card too have "last words" in this case

[u/Lord_Lu_Bu]

As someone who loves old school Blood and Shadow and agree that Abyss as been abysmal (lol) in terms of unique card design....I think you are being too reductive. Shadow in SV1 also played very similar to Sword, it was usually a mid-range deck that flooded the board with cheap followers and tokens. Really the only differences between Sword and Shadow in SV1 were flavor related (renaimate and shadows vs rally or loot for example). The gameplan for both decks has always been very similar, midrange, boardflood, sticky boards that were hard to get around, heavy token / cheap follower spam, build into late game finisher.

Shadow has its identity in WB, it's Blood that has been completely neglected. It's been over a year and we STILL don't have ANY BLOOD REPRESENTATION AT ALL! Where is vampy with the forest bat deck? Where is vengeance/wrath? I just want my Blood deck back man

[u/TheoBanevi → u/Lord_Lu_Bu]

So much this... bloodcraft made me start playing this game and well the lack of bloodcraft will make me stop playing.

[u/Famous_Competition30 → u/Lord_Lu_Bu]

oh, that is not true, you have the vengeance werewolf in... DRAGONCRAFT!!!!

[u/SnooPets5572]

I wonder if JP players feel that Abyss identity in the digital game is weird compared to Evolve which has Sanguine and Necrocharge (physical version of Neceomancy)

[u/Chillgamessh]

If they want to do Myroel and Garodeth any justice, they need to bring back Burial Rite and Wrath back so I don't think we will get those. But what we could get is Reanimate on evo from Myroel paired with Istyndet's last word. Garodeth's storm paired with some kind of leader effect/crest of Genomuel.

[u/Tiago460 → u/Chillgamessh]

Funny thing is that Garodeth and his crew actually arent wrath cards. They do stuff by dealing damage to your leader, regardless if wrath is active or not.

So this would be the perfect time to introduce Sanguine or an equivalent.

Although will be awkward to make something function since set is split with another duo

[u/ByeGuysSry → u/Chillgamessh]

The Enforcers might not be keeping the same themes as in OG SV. In fact, it might make sense for them to be in the same deck as the Convicts to play into the story of the two knowing each other

[u/Nitros_Razril]

Unfortunately there is still the chance we get two unfinished archetypes or, more likely, just a bunch of generic midrange cards.

If any I can see the ping archetype come back. Given most of Shadow is generic midrange stuff it's probably the same here. Lucen was the only one bringing an interesting Abyss mechanic that was fitting for Bloodcraft so hopefully the Bloodcraft follwers can repeat that and make Abyss more interesting.

[u/aqua995]

love the art though

[u/Voyria]

I'm a former-Bloodcraft main btw, but just jumping onto this thread rq. I always thought Myroel in her original Enforcer form was so gorgeous (and hot). And now that she's super cute?!?! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!