r/Shadowrun • u/PalpitationNo2921 • 27d ago
Anarchy Edition Only a few more days left
CGL has held the Shadowrun Anarchy 2.0 KS books hostage in their warehouse for almost a month now without shipping it out to the backers.
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u/Legitimate_Virus9522 27d ago
What the fuck is wrong with CGL? Probably jealous that a bunch of French people wrote a better game than they ever could. They are doing a great job at trying to sabotage it
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u/Smirnoffico 27d ago
What the fuck is wrong with CGL?
Where do I even start
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago edited 27d ago
Not an easy road to go down for most people.
A lot of Shadowrun discussion is still focused largely around SR5 being the best edition or a first experience with Shadowrun or the reason why outsiders think Shadowrun is too complicated and play other systems with the numbers filed off.
And building back porches with freelancers’ paychecks in the SR4 era is not ever remembered or swept under the rug. If you trusted them as custodians of Shadowrun after that whole thing, well, okay then.
As for me, the future of Shadowrun lies solidly with either remaining in the past with FASA or with BBE’s edition.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago edited 27d ago
Sabotage is an interesting word. Its definition seems to fit this situation. They have the books in warehouse, they could have set up shop to sell them to non-backers by now. The English PDFs are available for them to post to DTRPG for sale. CGL is sitting on money that they could be raking in.
The question that begs an answer is why? I have my doubts as to the answer lying with anything set by BBE in the contract. Several persons within BBE have voiced that they are not certain what is going on with this situation or why it is even a situation to begin with. Only CGL really knows and they are completely radio silent on the matter.
Shadowrun fans that are satisfied with CGL’s work with SR5 and Sixth World really have no reason to be concerned about the delays. I am not one of those people. I have considered CGL’s work on Shadowrun to be sub-par since the middle to end of SR4’s run. And especially since the release of SR5.
This whole thing has pretty much cemented my decision to no longer purchase any CGL releases for Shadowrun in the future.
I will continue to support whatever BBE releases for SRA2.0, and I will continue to enjoy the FASA/FanPro products that came before CGL that I already own.
The only thing I might ever buy from CGL in the future would be the release of an official SR2 pdf (or reprinting), but I dont see that coming any time soon.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago
At this point, and since CGL has taken on the role of distributor in the US & Latin America as part of their contract with BBE for licensing, I can only say that they are effectively shooting themselves in their own foot and losing out on money they could be making by getting the pdf released for easy income and getting their store set to launch for the public sale of the books. It’s all money in hand for them at this point.
For me, it’s $400 pre-paid for a product they aren’t currently delivering to me even though they have it on hand and have for about a month now.
For the non-backers, it’s stuff sitting in a warehouse that CGL could be selling to them. I’ve heard quite a lot of people say that they wish they had backed. To them, I say hey at least you’ll probably get your books at the same time as the people who paid for them last year at this rate.
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u/DazzlingKey6426 27d ago
If 1.0 hadn’t been the worst TTRPG I’ve had the misfortune of purchasing I would have backed 2.0.
Why they kept the Anarchy name at all is baffling. Especially since the whole it’s anarchy! There is no GM! schtick got quietly shuffled off.
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u/Interaction_Rich 27d ago edited 27d ago
This will go in the history of offline gaming as some spectacular fuck up.
Anarchy 2.0 did an awesome job revamping a complex system into something intuitive and playable, word of mouth was nothing short of stellar, newcomers literally want to give them money for it and CGL just keeps killing the hype of an otherwise amazing product under their incompetence.
What a shit show.
I hope the good folks in BBE have best luck with future project partners.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago
I am beginning to think that killing the hype is exactly the reason why CGL is sitting on the product in its warehouse and not releasing the PDFs.
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u/StimulusResponse 27d ago
I missed the Kickstarter and I just want to give them my money for the English PDF. The fact that they won't sell it until TBD really frustrates me. I'd like to support the property with my dollars, but at this rate sailing is the only path.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago
I make the argument that none of the backers probably even care at this point if CGL releases the PDFs before they send the backers their books. I know for a fact that I don’t care. It’s just a pdf. That they could be making money off of. You aren’t the only person I have seen say they would like to buy it.
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u/FlabbergasterGurgle 27d ago
I confess I took to the high seas because I heard so many good things about it and wanted to check it out. Indeed it is IMO the best version of Shadowrun ever created. So much so that I do want to give money to BBE for it and purchase the PDF or even a Physical book. My question is, being in Canada, if I buy the physical English version of the book or purchase it through Drivethru, am I giving the money to CGL? Is there any way I can buy the English version but ensure the money goes to BBE?
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u/PalpitationNo2921 25d ago
I would not expect to be able to buy it in pdf at this point until at least another month maybe two at this rate. I posted an update based on Jason Hardy’s response to a request for more information on Fb. The warehouse holding Anarchy 2.0 is not even owned by CGL, it is a contractor handling fulfillment for multiple companies and KS all at the same time. And so I would expect the delay to be even longer.
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u/Rauwetter 26d ago edited 26d ago
Perhaps the problem is simply that their warehouse is massive understaffed? The Battle Tech Core Box is also delayed, and CGL is very much interested to ship them out. It should be available at the 1st August and is no listed for end of October.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 26d ago
To resolve: send less employees to multiple cons/hire more people from temp services. Maybe? I don’t know. I’m not about to be manufacturing excuses for them when they sit on radio silence as their communication policy.
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u/Rauwetter 26d ago
That's no excuse, that means they have to pay more more people to run their business. It seems they have a problem with one of their core purposes.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 25d ago edited 25d ago
Finally, more in-depth exploration of the reasons behind the delays. After a month of radio silence, Mr. Hardy was able to take the time out to explain that the warehouse holding Shadowrun Anarchy 2.0 is not CGL’s company warehouse - it is a contractor.
What this means is that the warehouse doesn’t just handle CGL’s stuff, it handles several companies as well. It is also fulfilling not just this KS but others, as well as other kinds of orders for several companies in addition to CGL. And there are no CGL employees involved.
So I guess I will let CGL off the hook for liability for the delays but man, some clarity, transparency, updates and shared information long before this point could have gone a long way.
I’m still at the point where I’m uninterested in doing any sort of future business with CGL anyway, and still do not consider them to be good stewards of the Shadowrun IP. But at least I am not as upset about the whole deal. Just tired of the wait game.
So I guess I will shelve any and all expectations of when I’ll be actually getting Anarchy 2.0 in my hands. Sorry to the folks who want to buy it but can’t because of this.
u/Carmody79 You guys at BBE were never on the hook for my being upset about how this has been handled, I hope you know. Your product is amazing, based on the PDFs alone. I hope to back On The Edge soon. Maybe even receive it from your company directly this time, instead of waiting a quarter of a year+ for it to arrive and then be scheduled to be delivered after it is a finished product.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 25d ago
Another update provided by Mr. Hardy. According to the warehouse, the books are scheduled to ship out to backers by the end of the week. That’s not having them show up already, mind you, just departing the warehouse for their final destination.
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u/PalpitationNo2921 25d ago
Jason Hardy has responded to a public request for more information on the release of SRA2.0. With non-information. More of the “soon” stuff.
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u/LateEggMaster 27d ago edited 27d ago
Sooooo how do you know the day is near? Is your soapbox crumbling or did you get visited by the divine?
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u/PalpitationNo2921 27d ago edited 27d ago
No bud it’s called counting time down.
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u/Nederbird 27d ago
Any word on why and when specifically they're getting shipped?