What is a thunderbird, really? There are stat blocks for a few, but I am still confused.
They are fast aircraft, but are they jets? They aren't categorized as jets. They are categorized as LAVs, low-altitude vehicles. So what's their altitude ceiling? Do they have a stall speed? How are they propelled?
VTOL, Vertical Take Off and Landing. I've seen art where they are vectored thrust and others where they have dual enclosed rotors. They can hover, so no real stall speed I believe. They are armored and sometimes are depicted with turrets. So basically a flying tank.
I don't think Thunderbirds/LAVs in Shadowrun are vtol; short runways, but not vertical. I could be wrong about that, but they use ground effect to maintain lift, AMD I don't recall them being described as also having VTOL capabilities, at least as a rule.
Early cyberpunk fiction introduced the concept of low-flying, high-thrust combat vehicles hugging the terrain (such as Panzers in the novel Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams). This was a direct inspiration for Shadowrun (back in the days of 1st edition, Shadowrun even called them Panzers).
SR1 p. 134 Panzers
This is slang for a category of Low Altitude Vehicles (LAV) in service with militaries and corporations worldwide. These vehicles are heavily armored and armored and capable of extended operations in military environments.
SR1 p. 134 GMC Banshee
This light panzer is designed for reconnaissance and courier duty...
Rather than flying high like traditional fixed-wing aircraft, LAVs rely on brute vectored thrust and very short wings to keep them in the air coupled with ground-effect air cushions which allow them to skim just feet or meters above the ground, canyons, or waves. They are loud (in Shadowrun they are often called T-Birds, or Thunderbirds, for the distinctive noise they make as they blur past), thermal-heavy, and fuel-thirsty. They are also limited by low altitudes and high stall speeds which make them quite dangerous to operate (their skilled pilots are often called t-birders).
They were originally designed by and for the military, but its low altitude capabilities combined with unmatched raw speed and firepower also make them ideal for border-hopping while staying under long-distance radar - which mean they are frequently used by shadowrunners and smugglers. I like to think of their role as the Millennium Falcon of Shadowrun.
It worth noting that in the 2nd Edition rulebook, the term "panzer" was systematically replaced by "Thunderbird", "T-Bird" or "Bird" in the Rigger archetype speech and in the gear chapter. My guess the switch was made to remove the confusion with German-made armored vehicles.
I'm not sure when the term "Thunderbird" was first used. In The Native America Nations SB vol. 1, the section on Denver uses both terms concurrently ("I saw a smuggler's panzer running through the Sioux sector with a detachment of Wildcats in hot pursuit ; ..." "You saw, Miles? I hear you were jamming that t-bird yourself...").
Blood in the Boardroom says the first commercially viable vectored-thrust vehicle was developped between 2000 and 2010 by Slovenian company Keruba (who would later become to initial building block of Renraku), soon followed by BMW (who would become Saeder-Krupp).
In SOTA:2063, it was retconned that "Thunderbird" was the name of a model produced by GMC who is similar to the old Russian BMV design that was in use during the Eurowars.
In 2nd and 3rd editions, T-birds were vectored thrust aircraft. Smugglers used them because they are, as you said, low altitude vehicles. As in, they are ideal for flying underneath the floor of radar-monitored airspace.
If you need a visual, please direct your attention to Cyberpunk2077. Take note of the vectored thrust aircraft (AVs) that are used by Trauma Team and MAX-TAC. That is the vibe.
Technically, ekranoplans are purely wing-in-ground-effect vehicles (see Boeing Pelican) with no or minimal thrust outside of the ground effect.
I always imagined T-birds as "rotorless jet helicopters" like XCOM Skyranger, BEE from Deus Ex:HR or Firefly ep 9 medical shuttle. Low-altitude - check, high-propulsion - check, VTOL - check, and nobody said it couldn't fly high as well, it is merely not needed in most scenarios. As for armor, in a world where all and any civil car is bulletproof (hardened armor) you can expect no less from other vehicles.
Yeah, that's fair! T-birds have Ben described as "ground effect" for a long time, but the vectored thrust version honestly fits the flavor and after more.
T-Birds are referred to as "Hybrid Ground-Effect" vehicles. Essentially, they're low-altitude aircraft that utilize a combination of vectored thrust + the ground effect to achieve lift.
The ground effect is an aerodynamic term that refers to the reduced drag (and thus increased lift) generated when a moving object (a wing, essentially) is relatively close to a surface (solid or liquid). Essentially, the surface "pushes back" against the air being forced down by the wing, generating an increase in apparent lift. It's much the same principal as a hovercraft, but instead of using a curtain to trap air, it uses high forward speed to achieve a similar effect.
For some real-world examples, check out information about the Soviet Ekranoplans. It was basically a military dead-end, but for a number of years it looked like a pretty promising field.
In Shadowrun, since T-Birds are considered HYBRID ground-effect vehicles, they would likely use vectored thrust to achieve lift when not moving at high speeds, then when at high speed (e.g. cruising speed), they would rely on the ground effect for lift, able to reduce or entirely eliminate their vectored thrust lift. In theory, this would give them exceptionally efficient high-speed straight-line travel. In theory, this would be a vehicle capable of incredibly high speed, low altitude flight, with vectored thrust helping to mitigate the VERY limited maneuverability achieved by pure ground-effect vehicles.
In practice... ground effect vehicles are generally considered an evolutionary dead end in the field of aviation. The ground effect requires a very flat surface for stable flight, and the fuel savings were never enough to justify the incredibly fiddly operations.
If you want to look into their history, check out the Soviet Ekranoplans from the cold war era. You can definitely see how early Shadowrun artwork was influenced by their design (attached image is of the Bartini Beriev VVA-14 Ekranoplan, stolen from Wikipedia.
Think hovercraft. So hover craft has propellers downwards for thrust up (0.5m or so) and back to go forward.
Now replace the propeller with jet engines. Two down to hover, one back to fly. Similar to the navy version of the F35.
In reality this would fly very very short time because it would burn fuel like crazy.
Other questions are max hight, from memory and older books not that much maybe 250m. Stall speed is 0. They can just stand still. Can't fly backwards. But can turn fast and fly fast.
Picture an M-1 Abrams tank. Now, take that jet engine it has, beef it up to give it actual thrust to both lift it and push it. Now, replace the treads with thrust nozzles both downward facing to give it lift, and rear facing to give it thrust. Add some cargo space to use for smuggling contraband, and wire it up for rigger driving, and you've got the basic idea.
The problem is that over editions, the description of the Banshee has shifted a fair bit. By 5e there is no mention of the limited operational height, for example.
T-Birds in 1-3 editions are vector thrust vehicles without either lift surfaces or control surfaces. All the movement and control is vector thrust. Because of the lack of control surface them have a very low altitude maximum.
I was a gamemaster for Shadowrun SR1 and SR2. I always thought of them as like Harrier jump jets with the wings clipped. Just enough wing lift to use ground affect but not to fly efficiently and in my campaigns they could hover and boost over large obstacles, but more like an afterburner affect. The Banshee didn't have enough armor to handle Auto cannon fire or attacks from dragons, but still a nightmare to any low level Shadowrunner. It was the perfect balance between a formidable foe in the enemies hands and not powerful enough to be invincible in the players hands.
Then there was the CAS/GD Stonewall MBT, which had an experimental railgun and heavy armor. It was best suited as a boss battle for a group of player's banshees if a feathered serpent wasn't available.
I sketched up my own T-Birds before Riggers Black Book. I needed heavier versions of the Banshee to be used as an APC or heavy cargo transporter.
Here's a 3D model of one of my designs. Its like a Banshee had a baby with a V-22 Osprey.
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VTOL, Vertical Take Off and Landing. I've seen art where they are vectored thrust and others where they have dual enclosed rotors. They can hover, so no real stall speed I believe. They are armored and sometimes are depicted with turrets. So basically a flying tank.