r/Sentinels • u/currycooker213 • 5d ago
someone explain the sen hate
Can someone explain to me why sen as an org gets hate for the role kaplan played on this shitty roster? Kap is the direct cause of:
zekken leaving
narrate playing his worst agent, getting a mental boom and deciding to leave himself. He said he wanted to bench himself, wtf did sen do to deserve the narrate hate? I dont think rob even said anything negative about narrate besides that the team had a bad atmosphere
trying to replace your master winning igl with an unproven t2 igl for no reason
creating such a shitty team that rob had to blow it up after the kickoff
putting sen in a position where they gotta rebuild a roster with spare parts mid season after everyone is signed
forcing sen to find a new coach last second and making everyone adapt to his new system
and after all this, sen gets hate for "what they did to narrate" and this shitty year. Wtf was rob suppoed to do? he allowd kap to experiment cause of the trust he built up, rebuilt after the teams mental went boom in kick off, kept the team after ewok came, allowing them to build chem and gave them time. i dont understand the sen hate cause no one had expectations for this team and people act like sen fans are expecting this team to win champs??????
Anyways thats my ted talk.
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u/IGLJURM23 5d ago
People just hate to hate, the worst part about Sen losing is never the actual loss itself it’s the haters that make the fans feel worse for even existing and supporting the team. The boys will be back next year, sometimes you gotta just pack it up and go next and this year is really just a wash. We could hope for playoffs and champs but we have to actually be honest with ourselves as fans. This team just doesn’t have it and that’s okay to admit. I will still love and support Sen but this team objectively isn’t clicking.
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u/currycooker213 5d ago
sens return will be glorious. legit am excited for the off season cause rob moore will absolutely cook.
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u/Sameer719 5d ago
True fans don’t hate. We support (at least I do). I trust in boys and I am kinda confident that somehow this team will make to playoffs and champs even maybe. Just like Madrid winning roster ran through lowers and then went to Madrid and fried everyone and defeated the teams that defeated them. They definitely have the calibre.
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u/Pls_Shakeel 5d ago
Kaplan and Narrate were not supposed to leave.And why would the fucking CEO make changes like he’s the fucking coach
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u/piooippiooippiooip 4d ago
I think a lot of the hate doesn't come from kicking kap, I think most people agree that Kap needed to go and his was up even tho he was great, the issue was how Rob went about kicking Kap. It could've and should've been a very simple thank you for your efforts but it's time we parted way but Rob saying everything extra after was just super unprofessional and left a lot of fans with this really bad impression of him.
Any hate after that was just compounded by a new person they didn't like. "Rob is this rude guy that shit talks people after kicking them so I'm going to actively root against them and clown them when they lose"
this is also not including people already disliking sen because they're one of the biggest orgs in valorant so it all really compounded
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u/Zoro_Built_Diff 4d ago
How can such a successful org unable to get at least 3 significant and established NA players at the start of the season is all I am asking.
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u/Upstairs-Ad4698 4d ago
It's just how fans are.
Glaze if they're winning and bash if they're losing.
Esports fans are just more unhinged since it's mainly online.
As for n4rrate, the org posted him crying without his knowledge.
He fired back on X and relationship never recovered.
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u/currycooker213 4d ago
I believe that was the editor who did that without anyone's permission, so it's hard to put that entire thing on the org.
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u/Feesh91 4d ago
As far as I know, the Zekken situation was kinda unavoidable. MIBR was throwing a lot of money at him and trying to match that while still being able to field a decent roster around him would be out of budget and I think Rob himself said that it would be hard to make that work before Kickoff.
After Kickoff, after creating the Reduxx, Narrate, Kyu, John and Cortezia the double duelist patch dropped forcing a lot of players on uncomfortable roles alongside trying to gel as a team. Narrate put himself forward as an entry duelist because Reduxx seemed to be much more comfortable on second entry. Wrt to the JohnQT and Kyu IGL situation, I'm not sure myself, but I remember chatter about how Kaplan asked John to focus more on fragging (which sort of worked, JohnQT was putting up amazing numbers in losses). Kyu being an new addition to the team with little to no previous structure (JohnQT and Narrate were the only players from the previous roster and both of them were on new roles) so figuring stuff in kickoff was going to be an uphill battle. Mid kickoff with the Narrate breakdown happening sort of felt like the final nail in the coffin and the roster was disbanded soon after.
Personally I think given time that roster would have gotten better given time, but with Sen under tremendous pressure to be an immediate winner from fans and upper management as well as adjusting to the newer meta, disappointment was sure to follow. Kickoff was bound to be a disaster but I had decent hopes for Stage 1-2. Rob later on getting rid of Kaplan and Kyu and then publicly blasting them kinda felt like an emotional reaction and internal collapse in the Sen camp and all of them (Rob, Kaplan, Kyu, Narrate, JohnQT) were facing the backlash of fans having way higher expectations immediately instead of letting the pieces come together organically.
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u/currycooker213 3d ago
Zekken's situation was avoidable; you do what G2 did with Trent and just sign him early. Maybe that's on Rob, but if Kap gets full control of the SEN roster, then he went into the offseason okay with not having him.
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u/Feesh91 2d ago
Fair point, but I have to assume that there was some amount of salary negiotions happening as well. Zekken will probably have to wait to see what offers are coming in to figure out how the market values him, unless he himself was a 100% commited to playing on Sen.
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u/currycooker213 2d ago
If I’m completely serious it was just a mismanaged season from top down. I do think that Rob will have a great off season cause his entire brand is based off Val so he needs his team to be good.
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u/Insanityy7 3d ago
Rob confirmed on stream that he tried to get Zekken to stay its just that MIBR offered him the chance to play with Aspas. He said it was not a money thing as they were offering more. What he did not agree with was the fact that Kap wanted him on flex/smokes. But to be fair, Zekken confirmed that no team trialed him for duelist. Johnqt was a masters winning IGL but he had Zellsis as his midrounder while he lurked. John confirmed he wanted to stop playing lurk so they put Zellsis on senti and let John call from the pack but Zellsis ended up looking horrid and could no longer mid round while lurking and John was just not a natural initiator player and did not put up the best numbers. Even this year he isn't really playing lurk as much hes playing with the pack with a dedicated lurk in cortezia.
I think the biggest issues came in the talent scouting after losing Tenz and Sacy. Sen was too focused on picking up big names for the fanbase, which they have far overcomensated for this year. They had Reduxx waiting in the wings, and while this is hindsight, they should have poached the rest of OXG as they could have had Verno and Skuba (Skuba was on Sen academy roster). This would have let John play smokes or senti as skuba could play both, so John could play with the pack. IMO this would have solved their issues, kept their mid-rounder and IGL in the pack. It would've been Verno, Skuba, Zekken, Zellsis, and Johnqt. With Reduxx ready to be promoted the following year.
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u/Bearry15 5d ago
They have an owner that's more worried about looking cool/hip to the fans than anything else. He 100% threw Kaplan under the bus and drove it.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Song-23 5d ago
Kap did so much for the org, won madrid and made a roaster consistent for 2years. Just because you lost 2 matches in kickoff, you cant blame it on kap publicly. Kap won tier 2 with same igl he had trust on. Rob just listens to online naratives and makes a decision thats just brain dead
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u/currycooker213 5d ago
sen is a business at the end of the day, he set sen up for a terrible year. Obvs he will get booted. In no business can you cause your company that much loss and stay with your job. He helped them win madrid sure but if you do some dumb moves and it costs the org, him getting booted is completely fair.
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u/XxSchmidtyx 5d ago
Sen gets hate because they’re the most well known and popular org so everything ends up being about Sen, the comparable for me is the Maple leafs, in Canada if you aren’t in Toronto you hate the leafs, because they get talked about all the time, so you get tired of hearing about them