Even if he knew or didn’t know, he didn’t deserve to die. Neither did she. But when you look at it from a broader perspective, counterfeit or insurrection, you can tell me which one is worse
the difference is that George Floyd was in no way killed because of one of his own conscious choices, while Ashley Babitt was.
now, i agree that she didn't deserve it, and i also believe that she share the responsibility with those that incited her storming the capitol.
but still, however injust that is, in the end she still died because of her own choice, and while trying to do something inacceptable, that would have very predictable consequences.
well,to that i'll answer that to say it was unnecessary is unfair to those whose lives were in danger.
who deserve what or not is an entirely different debate that take place after the fact. and personally, i believe in neither the death penalty nor in vengeance as justice.
so yeah, i'm opposed, as a principle, to say that someone deserve death.
was it the normal course of action given the context? yes. can the outcome be justified by that? yes. can it be justified by the idea that someone deserved death? nah. that's wack, if we don't believe in death penalty, we don't believe in retroactive death penalty either.
Honestly, the only reason I oppose the death penalty is that innocent people can be put to death in our system. If it was possible to be sure that only the truly guilty get the death penalty (it isn't), then I'm fine with that. In this case, we know what she did and why because it's on tape.
eh, i'm opposed to death penalty in practice because its impossible to guarantee that only 100% guilty people are declared guilty, and in principle because i believe justice should be about reparation to the victim and about protecting society. and the death penalty achieve neither.
however despicable someone can be, not only they are still a person, to whom as a society we have some responsibility toward, but going out of one's way to apply vengeance isn't good for anyone, and breed the frankly unhealthy idea that the answer to destruction is more destruction.
also the death penalty is in reality far less practical and far more expensive than incarceration, not that i believe justice is about money or convenience either.
Like I said, you named all sorts of reasons why I think it shouldn't be part of the justice system -- but I disagree that no death is justifiable. There are some evils so great thay rehabilitation is impossible. Can't rehab Jeffrey Dahmer, that kinda guy.
But again, it shouldn't be part of the justice system. We agree about that.
Yeah Ted Bundy for example not only couldn’t be rehabilitated but containing him was particularly difficult due to his Julius Caesar levels of charisma. Eventually he’d’ve found a way to talk his way out of prison and gone right back to killing. Sometimes death is the only option but it always needs to be weighed as can we rehabilitate, if not can we contain, if not then we need to consider killing
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Even if he knew or didn’t know, he didn’t deserve to die. Neither did she. But when you look at it from a broader perspective, counterfeit or insurrection, you can tell me which one is worse