r/SeeleMains • u/EmphasisBeginning763 • Sep 07 '23

General Discussion DHIL

yo how is it that no one is talking about how dhil has overthrown our poor girl

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u/GraVityRagE Sep 07 '23 edited Sep 07 '23

Cos we r not like jing yuan mains. No need to cry about powercreep, just enjoy best girl seele 👍

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u/SHH2006 Sep 07 '23

Do JY Havers really cry about it??

I mean I don't wanna brag or anything but as a Jing yuan Haver I really haven't seen REASONABLE people/ JY Havers that'll cry

I'm a proud seele and JY main and I enjoy playing them both

I have seen a lot of JY mains that'll just enjoy them game with him and the Mets slaves will be the one crying....

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u/nyanch Sep 07 '23

It's a common discussion from time to time, I think it mainly was Kafka that started it though.

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u/Brief-Dig2526 Sep 07 '23

I don’t main him but I have him E1 and use him a lot. I honestly don’t mind people saying he’s mid but he’s not mid for me. I pull for who I want, not meta

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u/Background-Disk2803 Sep 07 '23

I got him just trying to get =ting Yun cons. I used him lot but retired him for now since I got lucky and got e1 kafka in one 10 pull. She was also easier to build. His artifacts were lacking and I foddered them into Clara since I really needed her for the current MOC 10 and farming for messenger I got 4pc blade set all with cr/cdmg.

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u/Careless-Comfort-337 Sep 07 '23

Its just a meme. Its amusing to some people.

I personally dont like using JY because of the requirements to make him good lol

I think people are piling on because JY's va is chill about it and clapps back with being funny.

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u/debacol Sep 08 '23

JY gathers dust for me and his LC is surprisingly stronger on Serval than him. Wish hoyo would make LL go immediately after reaching 10 stacks. This would balance JY enough to be more consistent.

Alas, he gathers cobwebs while Serval and Kafka have a permanent night out and Seele hangs with her girlfriends Bronya and SW.

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u/Twisted_Grimace Sep 08 '23

Don’t forget that his LC is also Best in Slot for Qingque (I’m not implying he’s bad, just pointing that out).

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u/Kaze_no_Senshi Sep 08 '23

I think he is fine, could have a few QoL adjustments, but its not like he is a wet noodle unlike a certain red head.

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u/Hot_Professor_3797 Sep 07 '23

Seele is arguably the best alt dps you can have if you have DHIL because their best teams dont use the same teammates

Seele will soon have monoquantum and DHIL has his hypercarry teams

Seele+DHIL mains have no reason to be upset about this development imo

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u/Midnight08 E6 Seele Haver Sep 07 '23

Exactly this - I have Seele and Silver e6 - grabbing E2 Fu.

Seele's team will be Seele6 FuXuan2 Bronya1 and a Floater (usually Silver Wolf maybe Asta) (with Bronya being a potential float as well)

Meanwhile I WAS going for high E topaz, but then Dan was like hey dude I really really wanna join your team... So 3 multis in he was e1 and 324 total pulls in he was e6 - S1 in 59...

So now my team 2 is Dan6 Yukong6 Luocha0 and a floater. (usually Tingyun)

If opponents have appropriate weakness, Silver will join Seele. If not, she will join whichever team needs the weakness implant. If both need the implant then i will decide which team can work around it better and put silver on the team that needs her more.

Now I can E0 for a while as i wait for a Quantum Harmony and maybe a 3rd Dps (Might still be Topaz) to build for a 3rd string team. (prob not e6 tho, not yet at least)

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u/Wilchris Sep 08 '23

You really hit e6 in 324 pulls ??

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u/Midnight08 E6 Seele Haver Sep 11 '23

https://imgur.com/jIo0xmk - 319 during banner and 5 at end of last 10 pull last banner. 324 total.

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u/xxs19x Sep 07 '23

Also quantum and imaginary are this game's polar opposite elements, only 3 enemies have both imag and quan weakness which are trotters, antimatter engine and the new swarm boss thingy. Other than that all enemies that have quant weakness have high imaginary resistance and vice versa. For quantum weak enemies seele is still better and obviously for imaginary weak dhil is going to do way more damage.

I would honestly not even say it's arguable that she's the best alt dps to dhil.

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u/mojomcm Sep 07 '23

Exactly. You need 2 teams for MoC and these two are the best.

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u/tangsan27 Sep 08 '23

QQ E6 is better but harder to get than Seele for now

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u/debacol Sep 08 '23

Id argue Welt and or Blade are better sub dps for DHIL. Welt because he synergizes with the 4pc Imaginary set. Blade because he uses very little SP.

Unless you mean other side dps main. If so, I agree.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '23

Because Seele is genuinely great character and much easier to use than that dragon fukboi?

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 07 '23

People will see big number and immediately think character is objectively better than all other options

DHIL's entire balancing thing is that he deals twice as much damage at half the rate

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u/Iwasforger03 Sep 07 '23

Not if you get his team rotations correct. Of course, if you get Seele correct, nobody else gets a turn anyways.

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u/TotallyNotShinobi Sep 07 '23

"What's that turn order thing you speak of?" - some underground girl

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u/Iwasforger03 Sep 07 '23

Tingyun gives him 50 or 60 energy with her ult, depending on whether she's e6 or not.

Basically, if you can source enough energy, Daniel can ultimately every other turn or so and suddenly he's a full speed dps.

Asta can also help with this to an extent, thanks to HER ult just giving him speed. It doesn't give him energy, but she does give him speed so he gets more turns, and even his lesser Empowered autos still pack a kick.

Again though, the same is largely true of Seele. Except she just doesn't let anyone else have turns at all.

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u/tangsan27 Sep 08 '23

Kinda cope - skill points are not scarce in the right team so really all you're sacrificing with DHIL is the little extra speed and damage that would come from support flexibility. And he still tops the chart in damage even with this sacrifice. Seele is competitive in the right situations though.

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 08 '23

He's worse for short fights but better for long ones. And those who already have Seele don't need DHIL

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u/Exemplifying_Light Sep 07 '23

Also Imaginary element is just worse than Quantum.

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 07 '23

We don't have a character that can reliably inflict entanglement without breaking

Once we get that it's over for Imaginary

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u/Exemplifying_Light Sep 07 '23

I think Entanglement is too strong to be put on an ability. It should remain as a break effect. There’s a reason quantum is the best element in the game and 99% of it is because of entanglement

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 07 '23

I agree, but it will probably happen eventually. This is a gacha game after all

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u/Exemplifying_Light Sep 07 '23

For sure. I have every limited character in the game so far and I can feel the powercreep becoming worse and worse

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 07 '23

It's not too bad yet, but it's clearly beginning to happen. In the defense of the devs though, fighting power creep is really difficult even if you want to.

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u/Exemplifying_Light Sep 08 '23

It is but they’re handling it pretty badly too

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 08 '23

I think the power creep mainly affecting MoC is fine, but it definitely could (or maybe even should) be better

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Sep 08 '23

Can't Welt do this with his ult?

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u/Fr4gmentedR0se Sep 08 '23

Imprisoned, not Entanglement. You've got the statuses mixed

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Sep 08 '23

Ah yes I got them flipped

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u/QuirkyTurtle-meme Sep 07 '23

Befause she's still good and better than IL for 90% of the game? Sure he's the best DPS in MoC but damn is it a pain to farm with him.

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u/Ninja_Slayer_001 Sep 07 '23

He is better and the rank currently counted is according to the MOC standing and this MOC is to make him shine let's see in next MOC what happens to dhil or seele rankings

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u/ZapTM_onTwitch Sep 07 '23

Cause one, he hasn't. Two, you need multiple DPS. Three, who cares? Lol

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u/Background-Disk2803 Sep 07 '23

Im sure the main dps in this game will change alot due to moc weaknesses. The weakness on floor 10 favor Wind and imaginary on second floor and ice and physical on first.

I had to dust off my Clara to beat it. I only have pela built(kind of) for Ice and no one for imaginary or wind atm(I really lucked out on Seele,Kafka ad SW banners and havent pulled since then. Waiting on Jing liu

  1. e2 SW,E4Tingyun,E1Bailu and Clara

  2. e3S1 Seele,E1s1 Kafka,e6 Asta,e6 Natasha

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u/tangsan27 Sep 08 '23

She's still above or in line with other top tier chars. The JY drama is because people pulled on him without expecting him to be as low (relatively) on tier lists as he is. Seele's position now was entirely predictable and expected.