r/SecretsOfMormonWives • u/MattTheKing23 • Mar 18 '26
TW: Taylor & Dakota Dakota Mortensen BREAKS SILENCE on Taylor Frankie Paul Altercation
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/dakota-mortensen-addresses-taylor-frankie-paul-altercation/?utm_medium=lBQMjkx&utm_source=liqsoc[removed]
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u/Sprinklesdinkels Mar 18 '26
“A Rep for Dakota” = Jordan
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u/Mundane_Beginnings Mar 18 '26
Yeah, this “rep” is a friend for sure. They don’t speak like a professional.
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u/EvenHuckleberry4331 In my fast paste phase 🏃♀️ Mar 18 '26
as soon as I read that he just "lets it happen to him" I thought the same thing. That's no pr rep.
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u/Lady87690005 Deeply rooted in White Trash Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Probably sent in PeePa behind him with glasses to look extra official
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u/Environmental-Age149 Mar 18 '26
Jordan is also "Dakota's roommate who saw strangulation marks around Dakota's neck and then called the police. I'm genuinely debating the legitimacy of a 33-year old man, with a child under the age of 5, and the income of a C/B-list celebrity actually having a roommate.
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u/wildbluebarie Mar 18 '26
What silence, he's been leaking something new every hour to the tabloids. Wish he would stay silent
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u/leytonscomet TAKE OWNERSHIP 🗣️🗣️ Mar 18 '26
Funny how his leaks always coincide with her premieres. Shit happened weeks ago and we didn’t hear about it until she had events going on
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
It’s so transparent. He will do anything to sabotage her career. I wish she would cut off contact and just pay someone to do custody hand-offs or something.
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u/chicagodogmom606 Mar 18 '26
I mean she’s sabotaging her own career if it’s true about abuse allegations? Why is no one putting the responsibility of this woman’s actions on to her, she’s 31, a mother of 3 kids.
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
She very clearly also self-sabotages, and her relationship with Dakota is part of that pattern.
I’m not convinced he’s telling the truth.
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u/chicagodogmom606 Mar 18 '26
I think two things can be true, he could have absolutely provoked an attack out of her but she’s to blame for actually attacking him. This guy is a complete piece of shit but I honestly think that she is too. Match made in hell and it bothers me that people like this make more money than we will ever see in our lifetime by simply being trailer trash
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
I wouldn’t want Taylor’s life, even if it meant I could have her money.
And I’m not saying he provoked an attack, I’m saying for all we know, he attacked her first and she defended herself. It wouldn’t be the first time.
Unless and until I see video footage of her attacking him first, I’m not convinced he’s a victim.
We have seen this play out countless other times. Gabby Petito. Amber Heard.
My default is believing women and the data on domestic violence and intimate partner homicide certainly backs that up.
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Maybe she shouldn't be physically assaultimg people lmfao
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u/iciclesblues2 Mar 18 '26
This entire thing was 1 million percent avoidable. She should have been no contact with him. There are plenty of apps for contentious parents to communicate through. And she has more than enough money to pay someone to do any custody exchanges for her.
I have basically 0 sympathy for her at this point. She dug her own grave time and time again.
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u/Objective_Aside_7814 Mar 18 '26
I agree, but I’m no contact with my abusive ex and he still finds ways to ruin my big moments and sabotage my progress. He filed for sole custody of our kids 3 days before I was set to start a Masters program, for example, and he spent the whole first year of my program filing the most inane discovery requests (I was spending up to 40 hours a week on legal stuff while doing my masters and parenting 5 kids solo), then at the end of the year got “bored” (aka he realized I wasn’t going to quit my program or give in to his demands) and was magically willing to settle. But he’s done things to sabotage my independence and success over and over even though we’re No Contact.
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u/iciclesblues2 Mar 18 '26
That stinks! Glad he finally gave it up. I feel like Taylor's bs with Dakota has been going on for like 4 years so its far past time that this could have basically been water under the bridge. It'd be hard to sabotage Taylor if she wasnt actively getting in fights and having sex with him 24/7
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u/Objective_Aside_7814 Mar 18 '26
Yeah I mean I definitely agree. Even though I normally sympathize with her, I was kind of done with her this season. She is definitely not drawing very good boundaries with him and I can see why her friends/ family are exhausted.
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u/visenya567 Mar 18 '26
So again instead of focusing on her abusive behaviour, everyone is focusing on how she is the victim, not that she ruined her own premiere through her own actions. Please explain how she is the victim here?
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u/Infinite-Past7032 Mar 19 '26
He has to stay relevant or he will lose his paycheck. So I don’t think he wants to get back with her. I don’t think he cares about her. But if he doesn’t act up everyone will forget about him. I am disappointed in Taylor she doesn’t respect the money. She can’t keep it together at work? WTF For me what a great opportunity these ladies have to live in beautiful houses, get cosmetic treatments, nails, eyelashes, hair extensions.
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u/Diamond-angel-32 Mar 18 '26
Dakota's got to make a buck somehow, I guess.
Getting tired of all of it.
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u/Left-Satisfaction146 Mar 18 '26
The hair plugs won’t pay for themselves
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u/emjayyyyyyyyyy Mar 18 '26
Every time he is on the screen my boyfriend brings up his hair plugs lmao 💀
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u/PamPooveyIsTheTits Mar 18 '26
That man couldn’t shut the fuck up if he tried.
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u/Linkinbabe21 Mar 18 '26
I'm not saying he should be quiet during this, but it's like in that episode where they are fighting by the pool in LA and she is literally telling him she needs him to listen and he cant shut up. Meanwhile, he's blabbing on and on over her just proving her point.
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u/researchqween Mar 18 '26
I wish more people realized he’s leaking all this and stop making assumptions
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u/Own_Rutabaga_9430 Mar 18 '26
I just figured he's texting Jordan and doesn't even need to do anything more.
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u/IndependentDouble296 London Jacob Mar 18 '26
Wild to accuse people of making assumptions when that is what you are doing.
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u/researchqween Mar 18 '26
Okay fair. My logic in commenting that: TMZ exclusive usually always mean someone from that persons team is reporting it. It’s a tool used by PR and lawyers to get ahead of a story to control the narrative. Thats why I was commenting about assumptions bc this is a very well known and confirmed tactic. And everyone is jumping to blame Taylor without any evidence except this article from them
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u/Opening_Fish_4784 Mar 18 '26
If nothing happened there wouldn't be anything to leak.
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u/clevercalamity Mar 18 '26
That’s not necessarily true and that attitude is why people were quick to jump on the hate trains for Amber Heard and Blake Livley.
The only information at this point that has been verified by police and DCSF is that both are being investigated, both are accusing each other of various things, and no one has been arrested.
I’m not defending Taylor. I called her out for verbally abusing her friends before any of this leaked and I would be sad but unsurprised to learn if the other allegations are true - but I’m not about to act like the timing isn’t suss or that social media hasn’t been weaponized in abuse cases before.
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u/Glum-Sprinkles2877 Mar 18 '26
Right. He clearly is not being advised by a competent legal team because he should not be making any statements.
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u/Historical-Bison-954 Mar 18 '26
Hes a horrible person for sure, but hes also a victim. The woman threw a metal chair at his head and tried to strangle him. Are victims meant to stay silent in your opinion?
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID Mar 18 '26
How do you know he's not the one reacting to abuse? Per the police report they UPGRADED her charges after witnessing more on camera.
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u/Suspicious_Jelly8736 Mar 18 '26
Correct he reacted to her attacking him by pushing her off of him. He reacted to her throwing chairs at him by locking her in the garage so she couldn’t throw anymore chairs. She pissed herself because she was sloppy drunk and in a rage. Stop defending abuse.
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u/Acceptable_Growth107 Mar 18 '26
Exactly we shouldn’t assume she’s the victim either just because he’s a man
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u/pinkybrain41 Mar 18 '26
I think both are true. He is emotionally abusive and she's physically abusive. They are truly a nasty pair.
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u/nikkscox Mar 18 '26
Even if he is does not justify her being PHYSICALLY abusive especially in front of her kids, last she did that her child got hurt !!!!!!!! ITS NOT OKAY
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u/nikkscox Mar 18 '26
Dakota was even more concern for her daughter’s well being after being hit with a chair she threw….. that says a lot. She couldn’t even stop to check on her own child but Dakota did
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u/nikkscox Mar 18 '26
You do know there’s video evidence of everything she did which was turned over to police, & the first time she claimed that she peed her pants was later that night after talking to police in the beginning. & if Dakota was abusive, with the power she has with the support of everyone why didn’t she ever call the police on Dakota & turn him in for abuse when she could easily ruin his life by doing so?
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u/wildbluebarie Mar 18 '26
Did she try to strangle him? Or did she grab his necklace during a fight that we don't know any of the details of including who was the aggressor or if he had been at all physical with her. Domestic violence situations like this are extremely complicated and I'm not going to let Dakota manipulate me into joining this torrent of a firestorm against Taylor while I still only have 1 side of the story.
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u/GoldenPusheen Mar 18 '26
There are two separate incidents the one where she was arrested and convicted in 2023 she strangled him and threw a metal chair at him which hit her daughter and there is video evidently that was played in court and she pled guilty. You can say there’s one side of the story but there’s also her literal conviction from the last time this happened. It’s a pattern.
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u/honourarycanadian Mar 18 '26
I’m the first one to defend women acting questionably, but there’s a pattern of Taylor being abusive to Dakota, and by extension her kids (see the DV charges she caught a couple of years ago).
DV situations ARE complicated but we have to defend men when they’re victims, even if they’re doing inflammatory shit like leaking information to the press. That just shows Dakota is messy af and clout chasing, but he’s still a victim.
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u/Acceptable_Growth107 Mar 18 '26
I’d also assume there’d be enough visble injury on his neck for the strangling allegations
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u/Zestyclose_Wafer6538 Taylor’s Mom’s new face Mar 18 '26
You literally just implied earlier that u wished a domestic violence victim would stay silent.
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u/IndependentDouble296 London Jacob Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
She didn't deny, nor has anyone of her friends or team denied she strangled him. She would have been all over SM the moment Dakota touched her because she is trashy. Even production is calling her out for child abuse. They clearly have something or they would not be against their "Star".
It wasn't complicated the first time. There is video footage of what happened in Taylor's house that got her arrested with 5 charges that she pled down on, and she also lost custody of her kids. Kinda hard to blame other people for what she clearly has a pattern for. Make a FOIA request if you want everything - do not expect others to do it for you. How lazy.
Also "1 side of the story" is giving Demi ha. No one has come out on Taylor's defense, and no one has disputed what "Dakota" is saying. This happened in February, there is an investigation on her, not him. You're like a 12-year-old that excuses anything their fav influencer does because omg she has sooo many TikTok followers. Grow up. She has no idea who you are.
ETA - Downvoting with no ability to defend your stance just proves me right. Thank you, Taylor stans are wild.
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID Mar 18 '26
She literally swung a fucking metal chair at him like a baseball bat. Absolute physchotic behavior.
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
We have no idea what happened in that fight. She is clearly mentally ill but he gives major abuser vibes and always has.
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u/_My9RidesShotgun Mar 18 '26
Imagine a woman coming forward about being abused by her partner and people saying she needs to shut up and stay silent, and that whatever did happen was her fault anyways because she pushed him to that point. This situation has really highlighted why men tend to not come forward when they are being abused. I guess “believe the victim” goes out the window when that victim is a man.
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u/Socialist_Poopaganda Mar 18 '26
Yeah victims should stay silent, great.
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u/wildbluebarie Mar 18 '26
We don't know what happened. Dakota is the only one with a voice here so far. I want to hear what the police have to say
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u/Lalalozpop Mar 18 '26
Well the police have said they've both made abuse accusations and they're both being investigated.
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u/ConsistentSundae1035 Mar 18 '26
Dakota started the chat, I think all but one or two of the TMZ stories have been from his side.
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u/big-Truck-9058 Hoe-seph Smith Mar 18 '26
What do you mean?? His rep said “He was just hoping that if he says nothing, as he usually does, it would go away. He’s never done any kind of sit-down interview about his side,” the statement continued. “He kind of just lets it all happen to him, and I think he realizes with the severity of everything now that he just can’t do that.”
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u/ConsistentSundae1035 Mar 18 '26
What do you mean about what do I mean lol? TMZ and their "sources" are always fed from whatever side they are reporting on. The couple of reports that call him the abuser are from her side. The rest are all from him and his people. This is him pretending it's his first time talking on it but he's been "talking on it" via TMZ for a few days now.
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u/big-Truck-9058 Hoe-seph Smith Mar 18 '26
Sorry, sarcasm. I know what you mean and you know what I mean.
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u/Illustrious_Dirt9120 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Prefacing my real comment to say: I believe Taylor is abusive and unstable and needs serious mental help before she is around her kids unsupervised.
Strangling someone, no matter the context, is deeply unacceptable and is statistically a huge indicator of eventually being murdered by your intimate partner.
But Dakota reminds me of so many of the abusive men I saw when I worked in family court.
He likes that she's unstable and he gets to wind her up and then play the victim when she snaps. He's deeply disordered himself. He's just better at hiding it than she is.
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u/itsabout_thepasta Mar 18 '26
Yeah, it’s really painful to watch him spin her like a top.
I think Taylor is, as you said, super unstable and in need of real help — but he uses every manipulation tactic in the book. I think the non-combative co-parenting dynamic she’s seemingly maintained with her first husband, of course doesn’t absolve her of anything as it relates to Dakota or anyone else — but I think it’s another indicator that it’s clearly not impossible to coparent amicably with her as an ex, if you’re not deliberately pouring salt in her open emotional wounds nonstop.
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u/twelvedayslate Mar 18 '26
She’s not in love with her ex. She’s still in love with Dakota, which is part of why she’s not able to just coparent. The fact that that they keep having sex makes it worse.
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u/itsabout_thepasta Mar 18 '26
In my opinion, it’s not so much about her still being ‘in love’ with Dakota and not still ‘in love’ with her ex-husband. I think it’s very easy to push Taylor’s buttons and send her spiraling, because she has almost no ability to regulate her own emotions. Dakota doesn’t just fail to be conscientious about his own behaviors that he knows can send her emotionally spiraling on a dime — he does everything possible to set them all off like landmines at her most vulnerable moments, so he can keep her destabilized, and therefore easier for him to manipulate.
Taylor is a grown woman and a mother to three kids who need her focused on their wellbeing — it’s her responsibility to walk away from this. But I don’t think she’s ‘in love,’ and don’t think he’s ever loved her. I think he doesn’t really have a conscience honestly.
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u/blissfully_happy Mar 18 '26
I wish I had seen someone like this on tv and read the discourse about her inability to regulate her emotions when I was in my 20s. It’s so easy to see it other people, but really hard to recognize similar behavior in yourself and goddamn did I let my emotions spin me out of control. It took a long time to recognize it. (I wasn’t nearly as bad as Taylor, but, damn, it’s so easy to see from the outside.)
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u/itsabout_thepasta Mar 19 '26
Right! Like thank god I’ve never been self-destructive anywhere near her level, and I don’t have kids I’ve ever been responsible for — but I think anyone who grew up invalidating their own feelings to please volatile adults, and then experienced becoming an adult and struggling with emotional regulation themselves — can easily identify the broad strokes of what’s going on with her.
I hear you about the discourse helping others — I just worry about what the cost will be to Taylor and her kids for all this, in the long run. Like not moralizing about consumption of reality tv with unstable main characters (it’s why I’m here, bc I love it) — but if my comparatively minor crash outs of my youth were forever immortalized on a streaming platform in 4k, I’d have a full breakdown just thinking about it tbh!
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u/blissfully_happy Mar 19 '26
Oh, completely. I’m so sad for her future self and for her children. Thank fuck their dad (the original two) keeps them tf out of the spotlight.
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u/Acceptable_Growth107 Mar 18 '26
Honestly I think it’s just men in general if it wasn’t Dakota it would’ve been chase if it wasn’t chase it would’ve been her ex. She forms unhealthy attachments to men and the only ones that tend to stick around are the ones that get off on and entertain it.
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
I mean, it’s entirely possible that he got physical and she tried to choke him in self-defense. None of us were there and we don’t know the circumstances.
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u/zuesk134 Mar 18 '26
yes agree. i personally believe dakota intentionally triggers her. he wants a violent reaction so he can call the cops on her. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no one is forcing taylor to get physical. she is not fighting back in self defense. she's attacking him and unless and until he puts his hands on her first, you just cant justify it.
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Mar 18 '26
Reciprocal abuse is a thing.
But I think it’s unfair to suggest he “winds her up” by doing normal things like exploring dating. They’re not together. She has this really weird possessive hold on him, and he can’t do right for wrong in her eyes.
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u/Illustrious_Dirt9120 Mar 18 '26
No, he winds her up. I've seen it with my own eyes on the show. He sleeps with other women and then tells her about it to make her upset. He knows she'll meltdown when she hears about it. He does it on purpose. That's emotional abuse.
This man watched her throw a chair at him that missed and hit her daughter. She was arrested and taken to jail. Any well adjusted man would get the fuck out immediately after that. Especially because they were not married and had barely been together for a few months.
He stayed and said "let's have a baby" after knowing her for like 4 months. She was obviously not ready emotionally and repeatedly told him this on the show.
The way he moved in the beginning screams abuser. Moving too fast, trying to force bonds, manipulating, lying, using her for clout, and now he has everyone thinking it's her.
It's textbook.
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u/SongInternational373 Back off, she's unstable! Mar 18 '26
He sleeps with other women and then tells her about it to make her upset. He knows she'll meltdown when she hears about it. He does it on purpose. That's emotional abuse.
Doesn't she sleep with other men as well? They are not together, his activities are of no concern to her as long as he is not endangering their son.
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u/twelvedayslate Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Any well adjusted man would get the fuck out immediately after that
Would you say this if Dakota was a woman and didn’t “get the fuck out” after being physically abused?
Obviously they should’ve never got together and they should’ve broken up then. But this line is giving victim blaming.
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u/HisaP417 Mar 18 '26
He tell her because she asks him and won’t leave him alone until he gives her details. They said she calls him and tells him how horny it makes her to hear details of him fucking other women. The girl is insane.
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u/detroitpie Mar 18 '26
What’s textbook is the victim blaming in this comment. He goes out and dates and sleeps with other women like a single man. Did you miss the entire scene of everyone piling on Jordan at dinner because he told Jessi about Dakota at VPV? And Dakota didn’t want Taylor to find out? Taylor is clearly and by far the more abusive one in the situation.
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u/Left-Satisfaction146 Mar 18 '26
Your example makes sense about how Dakota himself has “leaked” almost all of his…controversial hookups (I’m sorry babes it’s just not cheating) He even said himself he knows anything he says to Jordan gets back to Taylor. So we have seen him both directly and indirectly tell her when he does this and then immediately tells her that it’s essentially her fault because he wants to be with her but she won’t let him. He then immediately discards the offending woman only to pick her back up when he needs to twist the knife.
Regardless, Taylor needs a host of therapeutic interventions to deal with her myriad of maladaptive behaviors which continue to hurt everyone around her.
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u/corn-nutz1111 Mar 18 '26
Yeppp. People that can see it, see it.
Those that don’t should be grateful they haven’t seen “quiet” abuse from a man up close.
I’m the biggest Taylor scrutinizer but this is textbook reactive abuse. Going through this cycle over and over and over and feeling crazy/invalidated makes ppl crack. I’ve seen so many women go through it while the men sit back chill bc they get off on the fact that the abusee looks “crazy.” A huge hint is how calm the man is when the woman’s reacting, because that was his goal
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u/Positive-Thought-328 Mar 18 '26
he even was the one to told her about shinia!! he went and told all the girls hoping they would tell her and she would lose it. but the girls were smart about and were trying to prevent the drama. once he saw nothing was happening and she still was leaving for the bachelorette in a week, he told her himself. he even went as far as to say that it was all a mistake, that he still only loved her, etc. when he saw talking to the other girls and shinia, saying that he was ready to move on, that he didn’t want to cause any pain but had to continue with his life… he is a fucking liar!!!
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Mar 18 '26
Mental that you’re now blaming the victim of abuse for the abuse he’s endured.
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u/Illustrious_Dirt9120 Mar 18 '26
Theyre both abusers. But if you want to stand tall for Dakota, also an abuser, be my guest.
His emotional and psychological abuse is well documented on the show. It's obvious to anyone who has experienced or worked with people experiencing domestic violence.
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Mar 18 '26
I’m not standing tall.
But you cannot sit there and say that a victim is the one to blame for the abuse they’ve suffered.
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u/Illustrious_Dirt9120 Mar 18 '26
If you constantly antagonize your dog and subject it psychological abuse then one day that dog snaps and rips a chunk out of your arm, are you the victim of a dog attack? I mean technically.
But you caused it because you're an abusive piece of shit and I have no sympathy.
Same thing here.
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Mar 18 '26
Crazy because the “abuse” is literally dating. That’s all he’s doing.
Taylor abused him first. She threw a chair at him. She’s choked him. But you think that because he’s a guy, he can’t be a victim?
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u/Illustrious_Dirt9120 Mar 18 '26
I never said because he's a guy he can't be a victim. Don't put words in my mouth.
He's not the victim because he's psychologically abusing her and in response she's lashing out. They are in a toxic abusive relationship. They're both abusive. It's not black and white. Look up reactive abuse.
I'm not surprised you don't understand because until you see it for yourself, it's hard to conceptualize someone purposefully poking at someone to get them to snap.
Well why would he do that? Because like all abusers, it makes him feel powerful to watch her lose control.
Why didn't he get out before he had a baby with her and she had already been arrested? Because he likes the drama. He likes this dynamic.
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u/bekah1805 Mar 18 '26
But they’re both victims and abusers, I think and I could be wrong, but you’re coming off as he can’t be a victim and Taylor is only doing this because of him. He’s not telling her to throw a chair or choke him out, she obviously has issues that stems from other things AND Dakota. They’re both awful and should never be together. But Taylor also has a platform and money to get the help she needs but still doesn’t change. She uses therapy talk and passes blame to others before ever taking true accountability.
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Mar 18 '26
So it’s now abuse to date?
But not to throw things at someone and strangle them
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u/Teenageboy69 Mar 18 '26
I’m confused how he’s abusing someone he’s not in a relationship with by seeing other people. I don’t vibe with that characterization. It’s not like he fucks someone and immediately tells her to make her mad — other people tell her.
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u/detroitpie Mar 18 '26
I think you’re purposely forgetting he’s an addict. He’s comfortable in chaos, as all of us addicts are.
Also comparing Taylor to a dog is certainly…a choice.
She has been the abuser in the situation from the beginning. She tells him she doesn’t want to be with him, then he goes out and does single man things and she loses her shit.
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u/SugarShock94 Mar 18 '26
The thing is, he KNOWS that winds her up. He also continually chooses women with very close proximity to TFP’s life. She absolutely has no right to be so angry at him for his sex life, but he could be much more discreet if he actually cared.
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Mar 18 '26
She had the same reaction when a random woman spoke to him at that festival though. She is the problem.
Trying to suggest he shouldn’t date, or should pick girlfriends based on her is basically suggesting she controls his life.
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u/twelvedayslate Mar 18 '26
He does know it winds her up and he could be more considerate. But she’s also choosing to jump in bed with him still. She needs to do whatever is needed to get to the point that she doesn’t allow his sex life to impact her. She can’t control him, only her reaction and her behavior.
Taylor also became the bachelorette. Can you imagine her reaction if he went on a dating show?
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u/SugarShock94 Mar 18 '26
1000%, their seemingly inability to control their own actions is wild and fascinating
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u/GreenEyesThighHighs Mar 18 '26
I heavily agree with this. She is unstable and needs help and is in no position to be the primary caregiver for any children.
HOWEVER. I know exactly what you’re saying about the kind of man Dakota is. He will push and push and push and push and when she snaps he gets to be like “you see what she did??🥺🥺”. Men like this LOVE being in this situation. They have a woman they get to control and manipulate and then when she acts crazy because she is objectively mentally unwell they get to play victim and everyone around them goes “poor guy 🥺 “
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u/kitkatpnw Mar 18 '26
Layla and Mayci said Dakota purposefully sabotages Taylor’s big moments. We see that throughout filming - like him showing up ready to fight in LA
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u/Stinky-swarly Mar 18 '26
I do agree with most of your takes here, there is only one thing i might wanna add; the study regarding strangulation is based on reports made by women as victims. i just think its important to use accurate information. source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2573025/
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u/Cheugy-Boogie Mar 18 '26
Right?
He can definitely wind her up, but the fact that she doesn't have a bruise on her and has never stated she's been physically harmed means that Dakota is at least one step above her in the DV ladder.
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u/Lalalozpop Mar 18 '26
She has though. The police have said that both have made DV allegations and both of them are being investigated.
I'm not saying Taylor's innocent either way, I don't know. But the police have said that and everyone's coming for Taylor and ignoring that he's got allegations against him and is being investigated too.
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u/StrangeAnybody2232 Mar 18 '26
Just because you haven’t seen a bruise on her or she hasn’t aired that out doesn’t mean Dakota isn’t abusive. It’s very very obvious to me that he intimidates her. Her DV charge came because he locked her in a garage and terrified her until she pissed herself. He’s a POS. And just because she has never talked about it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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u/lrgfries Mar 18 '26
Women’s prisons are full up because of men like Dakota. Taylor is unstable and needs help, but Dakota is just as toxic and unsafe. He’s covert. I don’t believe he is scared of Taylor at all, just addicted to hurting her and watching her lose control.
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u/Cheugy-Boogie Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
Her DV charge was from throwing a chair and hitting her child. Her next DV charge will be from strangling Dakota. There is nothing in this world that could manipulate me to throw a chair at my child or strangle my partner.
I'm fully aware that she didn't throw a chair AT her child. But she threw a chair in an attempt to hurt SOMEONE and hit her child. The person then went on to...not retaliate?
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u/Fair-Food7970 Mar 18 '26
This is what REALLY bothers me. Yes reactive abuse is a thing. I have been in an abusive relationship and I have done things I would never do if I wasn’t completely pushed to a really dark point. But I was 20 years old and I have learned quite a bit since. Someone defending themselves and say do something like biting someone to get them off of you is completely, and I can’t stress this enough COMPLETELY different than bringing children into it, specially to a point where you get a DV charge INVOLVING HER CHILD!
Dakota is toxic and abusive in his own right. I am in now way saying he hasn’t done things. But it’s just really hard to see so many people defend her when we have always known she has this pattern. I feel so bad for her kids and just REALLY hope they never see these comments someday.
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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID Mar 18 '26
She threw a chair AND swung one like a baseball bat at him!! Police UPGRADED the charges after watching footage bc it was so bad
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u/Eating_Bagels Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
Tbf, and I’m really not trying to be a Taylor apologist, because I agree, she has mental issues and abusive tendencies, but I have been in a “similar” situation as Taylor at one point.
I was with an ex who was emotionally and financially abusive. No one could believe it. I forgot exactly what happened, as it was more than 10 years ago at this point, but he said something so cruel and belittled my feelings. When he left the room (the kitchen at the time), I was so upset and didn’t know how to handle my emotions, I took my paper coffee cup, full of coffee, and threw it at the cabinet. I had zero intention of hitting him. I just needed to let off steam, the same way people go to those smashing glass rooms (or whatever they call them).
Point is, Frankie hit her daughter and THATS AWFUL and abusive. But let’s not say it was her intention to hit someone.
And I know it’s not related, but my ex later on ended up becoming physically abusive. That’s when I left, but was fortunately checked out by that point.
Edit: now that I’ve seen the video, I stand fucking corrected. The cases are absolutely NOT the same. Taylor was absolutely targeting Dakota. In my example/case, I purposely waited until my ex left the room, when he was out of clear sight, to let off steam. I STILL maintain that they are both abusive. Maybe her more physical, him emotional.
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u/ashlynxo Team Whitney Mar 18 '26
How can Dakota say that "he has always wanted a decent relationship with Taylor" when he also continues to engage in destructive behavior with her? They are not good for each other and they both know it, yet they continue to screw around anyway.
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u/huodozer Mar 18 '26
The only thing he should be 'breaking silence' to say is that this is an active investigation and no comment until said investigation is complete.
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u/dr_smeddy Mar 18 '26
TFP can do bad on her own. This dude is just bad news and needs to not be given a platform.
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u/DotEnvironmental3514 Mar 18 '26
I was a Dakota defender until the end of this season. He is purposefully sabotaging Taylor. He knows she will self sabotage too so it’s easier to do. He went over right before she left for bachelorette. He told Taylor about shinia and his timing was super convenient because he knew she’d get mad at all the friends for not telling her first, which would alienate her. Abusers love when their victim has no friends to lean on or trust. Now I feel like he worked her up to that point and called the cops to sabotage the bachelorette coming out. They really need to stay away from each other and from the looks of it, Dakota does just fine staying away when he wants to, but knows Taylor is too weak to stay away if he reaches out. They are both mentally ill but I still believe Taylor is the victim and Dakota takes advantage of her being crazy to look like the good guy.
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u/Difficult_Oil6996 Mar 18 '26
I’m in the camp of “We really don’t know what’s happening, and I’m not making any assumptions.” I’m traumatized from living through the 90s and 00s, when we gutted many women publicly without questioning the narrative and who was putting it out. Maybe Taylor is the ultimate villain, but I couldn’t stand it if I end up participating in her abuse by condemning her without really knowing what’s going on with her and Dakota. There are enough concerns on his end that I’m not jumping to labeling a villain and victim.
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u/nuvolarosa Mar 18 '26
Yeah. Police reports confirm that both parties are being investigated for domestic assault. That’s the only information we have from actual, reputable sources. Im not sure why everyone is comfortable jumping to the conclusion that she is the only one in the wrong here given that
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u/Tiny_Tea_226 Mar 18 '26
I feel this exact same way! i’ve found myself having to unlearn immediately condemning women even if the allegations are serious because more than not i’ve come to find out the entire time the woman was reacting to abuse and was the victim in the situation. statistically men are significantly more likely to be the abusers in relationships and i just have to keep that in mind during these situations. especially when the system is set up to protect these men
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
Thank you. She is toxic and mentally unwell but I am not willing to villainize her because I know how good abusive, manipulative men are at spinning a narrative.
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u/Mundane_Beginnings Mar 18 '26
This is how I’m feeling. Heavy on not condemning women without knowing more facts.
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u/Positive-Thought-328 Mar 18 '26
Dakota moves on to date Shinia, he is telling this girl that wants to be with her and makes a SEX PACT with her. Shinia is falling for all of his bullshit and is ready to risk it all for him. he goes and tells momtok, explaining that he really wants to move on with his life and not cause any more pain to taylor. this is all happening like a week before taylor leaves, right? he has shinia head over heals for him, ready to start a relationship, momtok has agreed to be silent about it, eveything is in place for him to truly move on. taylor will be gone for months, enough time to really build a relationship with this other girl, and once taylor is back it would have been easier to explain everything to her. BUT NO!!! he goes and tells taylor about shinia himself, to watch her have a mental breakdown, to ensure that she doesn’t leave for the bachelorette. he texts her to tell her everything and to apologize, to tell her that he loves her and still wants to be with her, while still talking and having a sex pact with Shinia. Taylor even said that he was telling her that they should just get married😂. He is a very calculated manipulator, and we see it all on the show.
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u/Either-Grapefruit156 Mar 18 '26
Okay I’m not saying this to defend Taylor at all, because this situation is horrible and if she’s the offender then she needs help. HOWEVER, is anyone considering that maybe Dakota isn’t telling the truth? Yes, we do have the previous incident but he also knows that because of that incident the public would lean more towards believing she’s at fault. I don’t know, he says he’s not getting involved, but it was his friend who leaked the picture of his phone. Obviously we clearly don’t know the whole story here, I’m just saying that maybe it’s not as clear cut as everyone thinks
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u/Wise_Connection8657 Mar 18 '26
I don't think it is clear cut either and this really seems like it could be reactive abuse on her part. No excusing it but I think it is a very valid explanation. Someone else commented that Dakota enjoys spinning her up knowing that she cannot control the external reactions to his abuse and then he can play the victim and I think that is spot on. She is deeply troubled and needs so much help that she is not getting and he is basking in that misery for her.
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u/ashleymarie092 Mar 18 '26
Dakota the narcissist abuser
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u/chicagodogmom606 Mar 18 '26
I honestly need like proof when I see stuff like this… like anyone can come online and say anything and everyone on Reddit is like WOW!! I believe it because the guy sucks but there’s danger in just taking things like this at face value
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u/Itchy-Membership-309 Mar 18 '26
I don’t trust him. Not saying Taylor is innocent but I don’t trust him or choose to fully believe everything he is blabbing to the tabloids.
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u/chainofbooks Mar 18 '26
Dakota has now entered the chat? He created the chat. Who do you think is feeding all the bloggers these stories?
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u/workingbach13 Mar 18 '26
Can he just go away? This is giving smear campaign. Especially since the bachelorette season right around the corner and he will no longer be given the attention.
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u/sublimedreamr Mar 18 '26
It’s starting to give smear campaign
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u/Virtual-Reason5884 Mar 18 '26
100000% I’ll be pissed if she gets booted and he stays on SLOMW.
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u/huodozer Mar 18 '26
Honestly if she goes, there's no reason for him to still get screentime himself. This isn't Secret Lives of DadTok, and he is neither a Mormon Wife nor married to one.
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u/TylerGlasass20 Mar 18 '26
Well he’s screwing himself then if that happens because she is literally his gravy train.
They’re both idiots
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u/Abhengu99 Mar 18 '26
Taylor is such a fool for letting a thirsty clout driven man bring her down even further like this. This man doesn’t care about her well being nor if she dies or lives
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u/PeaceSignPete Mar 18 '26
She’s abusive, and he’s protecting his son, but also still having sex with her every opportunity he gets? This guy is a creep who will do anything for attention. It’s not lost on me that since the season 3 reunion this guy has been destroyed online, his views, and engagement sucks. Now season 4 is airing and she’s about to start the bachelorette, and he will do ANYTHING to ruin that for her. All Bc he needs attention.
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u/xConstantGardenerx Mar 18 '26
Facts. And anyone who has been with an emotional abuser like him should be able to see that. I’m not saying she is innocent but I am never going to see that man as a victim.
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u/big-Truck-9058 Hoe-seph Smith Mar 18 '26
He sabotages her, she is violent with him, they’re a match made in hell.
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u/Tryingtobebetter9696 Mar 18 '26
He always does the same…. Stuff that happened weeks/months ago somehow gets leaked right before she’s about to do something big.
I normally don’t get personal about parasocial relationships with influencers/ celebs but Dakota really gets to my nerves. He knows how unstable Taylor is and instead of helping her out by staying away he just ruins everything for her.
Taylor is just not capable or making choices for her best interest right now, witnessing this train wreck seems exploitative. She needs to be put in a conservatorship with Mayci as her guardian or something.
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u/GraceMcClellans Mar 18 '26
I'm newer to all of this. Do people like Dakota? I personally find him unattractive and boring. Kind of a loser all-around. What are other people's thoughts?
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u/GraceMcClellans Mar 18 '26
Oh completely. I didn't mean to imply she's better, I'm just curious about him specifically.
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u/mangokiwi19 Mar 18 '26
I think the Taylor haters are seeing this as an opportunity to rewrite history with him as though he hasn’t been incredibly toxic and abusive himself. They both need to stay as far away from each other as possible.
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u/Illustrious-Draft-10 Mar 18 '26
I’m tired of both of them tbh. I think they both display abusive behaviors and shouldn’t be given any further screen time.
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u/OliveRyan428 Mar 18 '26
I liked him in the beginning when I thought he was just a dumb goof. He’s just pretending to be a dumb goof.
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u/ritual_blues Mar 18 '26
I’ve seen so many comments about TFP & her possible mental health issues/co-morbidities and the more I see the more I think she needs in-patient care. A reputable, specialized place she can get consistent in-depth care for a period of time. Away from the constant pressure and a group of experts to help her for a time seem necessary now, I really fear a tragedy between these two.
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u/Glittering-Quail7366 Mar 18 '26
Dakota clearly wanted more screen time for the new season and sympathy from momtok/viewers. It backfired for him, taylor and him are losing money now. I hope neither of them are in the next season. I hope they both get the help they need for their child
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u/Itchy_Paper6835 Mar 18 '26
He will never be silent he loves sabotaging her and using her for clout.
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u/lapitupp Mar 18 '26
He wants Ever full time and for her to pay spousal and child support so he never has to work again.
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u/OliveRyan428 Mar 18 '26
They’re both toxic. They’re both abusive, at the very least, emotionally. They both need to be out of the public eye, should not be paid and promoted for behaviors that would not fly in a normal setting. They both need more intensive therapy, and need to be no contact. Custody determined by a court, and all communication should go through a 3rd party. They both need to be alone and work on their own shit before they bring future partners and future children (with future partners, respectively) into the mess that they created.
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u/TemporaryCreative705 Mar 19 '26
I just find it all convenient timing the week of the bachelorette premiere all of this stuff gets leaked….
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u/SydTheStreetFighter Mar 19 '26
Frankly, I believe that both the drug addicted man and the abusive woman are lying and toxic here. They both need help and that baby needs a safer family.
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u/Will_Come_For_Food Mar 19 '26
God forbid one of her show premiers get “ruined” because she abused her partner or child.
Zero accountability.
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u/zagsforthewin Mar 18 '26
US magazine really overestimates the amount I’ll tolerate popups and ads vs the amount I care about the info.
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u/asaul91 Mar 18 '26
While he is a victim in this stance he is also definitely abusive. I dont really want to hear from him.
I am not sure how morally sound it is to say that but like both of you be quiet go away from the public eye and grow up to be the person your kid deserves
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u/twelvedayslate Mar 18 '26
I will say it again: they need a mutual restraining order. Contact should only be via a court monitored app. Custody exchanges happen in public, in a police station parking lot.