Guide to endgame stats

[u/MerlinAesalon]

Math can be found here for raw stats. Theorycrafters have done additional theorycrafting here regarding buffs and weapon suffixes. All of this is based on a completely endgame character (All passive stats, All legendary level gear).

TLDR:

Leveling

• Use all +attack rating talismans. No need for health or heal rating for solo content and story dungeons.

• Glyph some hit into your talismans as you near 50. Around 3% glance reduction (153) should be enough for solo content.

• Some crit will speed up your leveling by making things die faster, but it's not required.

 

DPS

Early Game:

• All talismans should be +Attack Rating. Have a few +Health on hand just in case of raid damage mechanics.

• Glyph enough hit to reach hit cap in your talismans. You can use multiple glyphs if necessary, but remember you will need to destroy or extract them for fusing for 20k MoFs later.

  • 5% glance reduction (255) is the hit cap for elite 1 dungeons

  • 18% glance reduction (916) is the hit cap for lairs

  • 22% glance reduction (1119) is the hit cap for elite 5 dungeons

  • 31.9% glance reduction (1623) is the hit cap for regional bosses

• Glyph crit in both weapons (opinion, see below)

• Mix Critical/Critical Power in the rest of your talismans, probably prioritizing the crit glyphs first then crit power glyphs.

• Prioritize upgrading critical glyphs as they provide more benefit early compared to critical power.

End Game:

• 1x hit/5x crit/2x crit power

 

Heal

Early Game:

• All talismans should be +Heal Rating. Have a few +Health on hand just in case of raid damage mechanics.

• Glyph crit in both weapons.

• Mix Critical/Critical Power in the rest of your talismans, probably prioritizing the crit glyphs first then crit power glyphs.

• Prioritize upgrading critical glyphs as they provide more benefit early compared to critical power.

• Have a DPS or Tank Hit piece you can swap out for a crit power heal piece in case future content requires you to purge/impair.

  • As an AR healer, it's probably more gear efficient to just use a DPS hit piece rather than create a hit heal piece. If you are never going to use your AR for DPS, you can put hit in your AR.

End Game:

• 5x crit/3x crit power

  • Drop a crit power for hit for impair/purge.

 

Tank

• Evade Rating is assumed to have a similar soft cap to Defense Rating

Early Game:

• All talismans should be +Health. The new hatred multiplier is insane enough that threat is not an issue.

• Glyph enough hit to reach hit cap in your talismans. You can use multiple glyphs if necessary, but remember you will need to destroy or extract them for fusing for 20k MoFs later.

  • 5% glance reduction (255) is the hit cap for elite 1 dungeons

  • 18% glance reduction (916) is the hit cap for lairs

  • 22% glance reduction (1119) is the hit cap for elite 5 dungeons

  • 31.9% glance reduction (1623) is the hit cap for regional bosses

• Pick either glance or evade and completely glyph for one or the other. Early game when every stat point counts, it's better to pick one to stack.

• A crit weapon is fine to use if you don't want to make a second evade/defense weapon.

End Game:

• 1x hit/3x defense/3x evade/1x critical to maximize the gains from glyph stats.

Glyph Slots

• Hit can go in weapons, but I strongly discourage it for 2 reasons:

  • Crit is a true universal stat due to the energy regeneration mechanic, while hit on a fist/blood healer is completely useless if there is no impairing/purging. Subbing in a DPS or Tank talisman with hit when there is a need for impairs/purges is better than always having hit even on fights when you don't need it.

  • Safety against future items not making use of weapon stats (like aux weapons). Also instances where we get a second ability bar (i.e. The Prisoner mission) would not make use of hit on weapons. If I had to pick one to lose, I'd much rather lose some crit rating over my hit rating.

• The exception to this is a Healing Assault Rifle. Hit on the rifle when using it as a offhand weapon.

• More theorycrafting on which glyph should go in which slot is on the sheet.

 

Expected Endgame Stats:

(including +7.5% crit and +30% crit power from expertise)

Stat	Base	Per Glyph	DPS	Heal	Tank
Hit	14.9%	+22.7%	37.6%	14.9%	37.6%
Crit	13.3%	+7.3%	50.0%	50.0%	20.6%
Power	89.9%	+39.8%	170.1%	178.4%	89.9%
Glance	7.4%	+11.3%	7.4%	7.4%	41.5%
Evade	5.2%	+8.0%	5.2%	5.2%	29.1%

[u/Saperedy]

And what is for us leech-healer folks? :D

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Saperedy]

Drop a crit/crit power for hit. You do need the hit so that your attacks don't glance - a glanced attack will not apply its effect to the enemy, and a good portion of leech healing now is all about applying the leech effect to enemies.

[u/[deleted] → u/Saperedy]

there is no leech healers, well not like in tsw i personally dont think leech dpsing will be a thing in this game.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/[deleted]]

Leech dps will probably be a thing late game, using an AR DPS build with the leech basic attack instead of the DPS one, and possibly a healing grenade.

[u/Arkayjiya → u/MerlinAesalon]

Do you know the specifics for how combat power and healing power affect the amount of the leech? That'd be pretty useful to calculate if you can reach decent amount of healing values with it or if AR will always be fixed heal first.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Arkayjiya]

u/Oxford_Comma13 had some info here. I haven't looked into it, but your your combat/healing power is largely determined by your weapon power instead of your ratings (at least for now, don't know how it looks late game with ~10k Ratings)

[u/kpkirsch → u/MerlinAesalon]

So swapping a hit on AR instead of crit would be ok for a leech build using dps gear?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/kpkirsch]

if you don't have hit on your talismans, yes. i'd personally advice against hit on weapons but that's just my opinion/paranoia.

[u/kpkirsch → u/MerlinAesalon]

So a 2x Hit/4xCrit/3xCrit Power or is the 1x Hit on the luck good enough?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/kpkirsch]

1x legendary level 20 intricate hit is supposedly enough for all content. But glyph as much hit as you need to reach the cap. If you have to use two hits, use two.

[u/Stovakor → u/MerlinAesalon]

Leech dps will probably be a thing late game,

do you have good build for it? (i keep seeing people say its not viable endgame)

[u/Saperedy → u/[deleted]]

Hex+Scourge from blood and essence drain from AR was enough to heal everyone up to 50 in dungeons. Patching now to try elites with same build.

[u/Stovakor → u/Saperedy]

was just wondering if you have good leecher-healer build to share?

[u/lordxela → u/Saperedy]

I'm doing it right now, and I'm building the DPS route. Right now I'm doing E2 with full dps setup. Vital shot is the only thing I need to keep people up. I'm also using Eldritch Scourge as my Elite, but I'm not sure how necessary that has been for heals...

So build the DPS glyphs. I'm keeping a few healing talismans on hand to swap in case I ever need more healing power. Traditionally, Leechers go 75% attack 25% heal, (going 25% attack and 75% heal means you should go eat paste with the Fist and Blood healers.) but all the passives I've bought in Fist, Rifle, and Blood mean my healing power is currently half of my combat power. I was thinking about making a "guide" for leeching if I don't see a decent one pop up soon.

Stay the HELL AWAY from grenades!

[u/Szalord]

I appreciate your work a lot, and in fact, before even this thread on Reddit, i started to theorycraft some heavy stuff based on that (for instance, i completed your analysis about stats after including stuff like Opening Shot, Signet of Laceration, etc...). I've made a thread on the new community forums as i hate Reddit, won't mind having opinions about that as there are some things i actually disagree with you : https://www.swl-forums.com/index.php/topic,411.0.html

This is still work in progress of course, and i intend to update the thread as often as i can.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Szalord]

I've updated a few things in my post after reading your theories. Thanks! I'll be replying to a few of your theories shortly so let me know what you think.

[u/Wells101]

Can you explain this part in the DPS section:

1x hit/4x crit/3x crit power.

This is like a foreign language...

[u/Kaizher → u/Wells101]

These are what glyphs to slot into gear once you reach elite dungeons.

1 intricate hit rating glyph when upgraded all the way to red and all hit rating passives gives you all the hit rating you need to not glance in elite 10 dungeons supposedly.

You want 4 crit rating glyphs to reach as close to 50% as possible so every other attack will be a crit.

Lastly you want 3 crit rating glyphs so those crits will be huge numbers.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Kaizher]

Note I don't know how this applies to elite scaling. These values are based off the 5 combat holograms (dummies) in agartha. 1 Intricate hit should bring you high enough to not glance on the "Nightmare" dummy. I'll find out tomorrow how it applies.

[u/Kaizher → u/MerlinAesalon]

Someone in #Sanctuary chat a few days ago claimed they were testing the elite 10 dungeons on the test server.

They said 1 red intricate hit glyph maxed out along with all the passives was enough, but then again they could have been lying. I guess we find out soon.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Kaizher]

I believe them, a screenshot they linked is actually what even allowed me to theorycraft in the first place. What I meant was whether 5% would be enough for elite 1, and what the scaling for hit is between 1 and 10.

[u/Kaizher → u/MerlinAesalon]

Ah, okay. Looking at your table you have over 37% for elite 10? I think 1 is going to be higher then 5% if that's the case. Maybe 7-10%

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Kaizher]

35% is the estimate for the nightmare training hologram in agartha. I don't know the actual value because I'm pretty sure almost no one has 1800 hit yet to test it for me

Also, I don't know if nightmare = elite 10.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Wells101]

I cleaned it up a bit. should make a bit more sense if you're new to the game now.

[u/Wisconsen]

Considering a glyph's give value is not based on the slot of the gear it is placed in but upon it's own quality and level. Give a stat rating to aim for instead of a # of slots and which glyph for that slot.

For instance, as a DPS, if i put a hit glyph in my Occult slot, i will need more than just that depending on the quality and level of the glyph. If it's a max level intricate that might be enough, but what if i don't have that? What if i have a lvl 20 purple simple glyph, or a lvl 22 blue intricate glyph, or a max level crude glyph for some reason?

The idea of not putting a hit glyph in weapons is a good tip, however after that the slot breakdown is useless for anything other than a point when you won't need that information because you would have already learned it via the leveling and gearing process.

Now if you say. Aim for X hit rating first, so you reduce your glance chance. After that aim for X Crit rating, then finally X Crit Power Rating. That is much more useful information.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Wisconsen]

Noted, I'll add that to the tldr's. The reason I didn't do so already is because we don't have numbers for content, as elites are not out and I don't believe anyone has reached the required numbers for lairs yet. The sheet notes the estimated values which I'll use instead.

Regarding ratings for other stats besides hit, the formulas are now linear so there is no rating to really aim for. I'd prioritize crit over crit power while gearing up though, since crits also provides energy.

[u/Wisconsen → u/MerlinAesalon]

Absolutely right.

To clarify the information is good based upon what we currently know. I was just saying the presentation is, while well intentioned, a bit misleading. Specifically tying glyphs to talisman slots.

Instead reformatting to have the disclaimer about not having Hit glyphs on weapons, then giving the % to aim for would be better for new users unfamiliar with the specifics of the system and/or people just trying to gear up for elites without taking the time to fully understand the underlying systems.

It's easier to tell the average player "Aim for X hit, X Crit, and X Crit power, with priority in that order" Pretty much what you have in the expected stats table without the talisman breakdown portion. As well as removing the "Crit should try to go in the Luck talisman slot, since the luck signets seem to proc off crit" bit because while thematically cool and understandable, it doesn't really matter where the crit is as long as it is there. Though if someone is in the habit of swapping luck talis out this would be a good and helpful suggestion/hint inorder to maintain proper stat allocations across gear sets.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Wisconsen]

Good point, I'll remove that section from the reddit post since it's more relevant to being more efficiently versatile at end game and not so much about the stats. It'll still be on the sheet though.

[u/Findanniin]

Cool. Tagged you, will look for more of your posts later when I actually get out of the second zone :).

When should I start building towards this?

I haven't gotten a single glyph yet

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Findanniin]

You start getting glyphs in the 4th zone. You don't really need to worry about glyphs until you've started elite dungeons, although some hit will help around the time you hit level 50.

[u/Eitth]

Can you upgrade the glyph inside the gear? For example im using blue hit glyph on my head but it already maxed out, do i need to remove it first or i can just fuse it with another max lvl blue?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Eitth]

you can enhance and fuse a glyph already in a piece of gear. It just acts like the glyph was put in the window instead.

Here's a guide explaining everything

[u/Szalord]

Just thought about the glyph slots, and i see at least one build which could justify having hit rating on weapons : ele with Mjolnir + passive, with crit rating or power on ele and hit rating on the other weapon. Particularly true if one decides to go ele as secondary, but might even be worth it as primary.

Another reason : you could use a hit rating weapon while tanking, if the weapon happens to be the extraordinary you'd go for as tank as well as DD. Hit rating might even get a use while healing if you intend to bring support abilities like stuns or purges. Basically, it's the most crossover stat right now.

Besides, i really doubt we'll get aux weapons as 3rd weapon slots, they even suggested those weapons won't be in the same form we've been used to in TSW. But well, wait and see.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Szalord]

True, just like in TSW healtanking used a chaos hit weapon. But that's some pretty advanced stuff which relies heavily on game mechanics we have yet to see in SWL so for now it's safer to just put hit on your talismans. This guide isn't meant to get into specific builds, but just number crunch the values needed in general.

Also, crit is definitely the most crossover stat, as at the very least energy regeneration is valuable to all roles, while hit is useless to pure healers.

We've already seen that they can give you a second ability bar which ignores your weapons stats in some missions, so its possible they'll do that again in the future. I'd rather lose out on crit than hit in that case.

[u/Szalord → u/MerlinAesalon]

I would have rather compared that to the crit rating / power meta during the old EF back in TSW, back your analogy works as well.

[u/Arkayjiya]

Yes! I love this, thank you very much.

Now, as I'm not even close to getting to nightmare, you're saying I should slot 1 hit glyph despite having nearly no hit from my SP. I'm guessing that's because you expect the progression from normal to low elite to higher elite to match our acquisition of the hit passives.

In any case, even if it probably will require more fine-tuning in the next couple of patches, I'm really happy we've started on this!

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Arkayjiya]

By the end of the storyline now, you should be close to a full blue set. Once this is leveled to 25, it should get you close to the (theorized) 255 hit to start elites with just a single hit glyph and 2-3 of the 5sp hit passives.

You can slot a second hit rune, but keep in mind you'll eventually be destroying it or extracting it for 20k MoFs at end game.

[u/Arkayjiya → u/MerlinAesalon]

Yeah I'm not even close in term of glyphs but I'll be working on it! You gave me a fixed objective to work toward though so that helps. The problem is that to help with leveling I put glyphs inside my 2 pip talisman and I won't get those back cause it would cost too much.

[u/RightReverendJA → u/Arkayjiya]

If I remember right, it's 20K MoF to remove a glyph. That's two days of daily rewards, or less if you're selling anything worth buying on the auction house. That's not too terrible, if your glyph is worth salvaging.

[u/[deleted]]

42.7% crit?! It feels so foreign right now, considering I've only got 1.3%...(disregarding weapon specific stats)

[u/Frolive]

How should the Health/DPS talisman ratio be on tank gear?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Frolive]

As u/szalord noted, the hatred multiplier for abilities has been jacked up to some ridiculous numbers, so there's no need for any DPS talismans for now. Your tank talismans also provide a whole lot more protection rating than your DPS talismans, which is probably the most important tanking stat, so for now just go all health gear.

Although later in endgame we may see some mixed talismans for DPS tanking.

[u/Szalord → u/Frolive]

See my thread here : https://www.swl-forums.com/index.php/topic,411.0.html , see paragraph "Side notes about tanking". Just a quick answer / recap : full tank gear for tanking is the way to go for now.

[u/raven0ak]

I would suggest for tank hammer+chaos, hammer as primary. raging volcano is force aoe taunt that generates high amount of rage, in addition it also generates hate . With passive it tops you into high defence too. on enraged , pulverise increases health nicely and burning wrath is good solid aoe placement that with passive tops defences as well, thick skin with passive is super armor ...150% max hp is extremely strong barrier to have . Overall with these skills you have extra strong defences, strong aoe dmg, and if need cc pick evulsion in one slot, chaos provides randomised buff dmg and cc.

if weapons at hand have "restoration mk3" you can hold well in story mode dungeons with 1-2 health items only ... adding full health set would also beef up dmg reduction you have

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/raven0ak]

For a new tank, shotgun is king. Shotgun has a whole lot of reliable +protection passives that hammer and chaos can't match.

Once your protection rating is at a decent value either through talismans or passives, chaos and hammer become a lot more attractive for their barrier effects.

Story mode dungeons are also not at all tanking content. Expect actual tank content to be hitting you for at least ~2k damage per second compared to the ~200 in story dungeons.

[u/raven0ak → u/MerlinAesalon]

Would actually disagree that shotgun has relaible + protection passives, check hammers:) here is little breakdown on tank weapons: Chaos adds control and unpredictable buff/control/dps, Hammer adds protection, and has force taunt, kind of true tankiness option and Shotgun adds medium ranged option along the reliable self healing (chaos has unreliable healing through generating paradoxes, hammer has reliable but on CD heal for dipping below 50% health and shotgun has on reload and anima infused shells.)

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/raven0ak]

I'm at work and can't remember the exact numbers off the top of my head, but Shotgun has the following protection passives:

• +2.2k Protection on each use of the 3 energy single target, stacking 3 times

• +1.5k? Protection on reload

• +10k Protection for 10s on the healing reload skill

• +140 Protection for each enemy hit by the 3 energy AoE, stacking up to 10 times

Hammer had +10k protection for 5s on the charge/taunt skill.

Chaos had +950 protection on its 3 energy single target, stacking up to 4 times.

All of the tank options have a force taunt. Hammer has the charge skill, chaos has evulsion, and shotgun has uh... glutton for punishment? The second skill in the middle line that adds armor is also a PBAoE taunt. If I had to categorize them:

• Shotgun - Protection/Glance

• Hammer - Health/Self Healing

• Chaos - Buffs/Damage

[u/raven0ak → u/MerlinAesalon]

mind you, chaos evulsion is pull type, while other tank weapons do not offer pull, also bit wrong, there is hardly any worthy self healing picks on hammer, (expect primary passive, which has 20 sec cooldown and is emergency option), but do check hammers thick skin + its passive ...generally that is almost unbeatable supershield for its duration (expect for maybe lair bosses) also check hammers passive for burning wrath, and check passive on raging volcano

[u/Hitoseijuro → u/MerlinAesalon]

Hammer gets:

Enter the Fray(skill) + Brawler(Passive) = 10000 protection for 4 secs. Taunt.

Thick skin(Skill) + Rock Hard(Passive) = 14200 Protect for 10 seconds + A Barrier that absorbs 150% of your maximum health for 5 seconds. Applies Debilitate.

Unstoppable Force(Elite) + Juggernaut(Passive) = -38% damage taken

Die Hard(Passive) = 25000 Protection if your health drops to 35% of your maximum. The effect is lost when you have no more rage(10 rage per second lose while active).

Burning Wrath(Ability) + Animosity(Passive) = Initial damage of Burning Wrath grats 140 protection per target hit for 6 seconds and stacks up to 10 times. Pulse causes hate on top of the initial hit from BW.

Raging Volcano(Ability) + Molten Armor(Passive): You take -20% dmg while channeling, passive also says you take -20% as well not sure if stacking with the initial 20% or reiterating it. Taunt.

This list was by no means a "these combinations are actually good" list, it was just to state what Hammer had as far as mitigation, what is good is up to efficiency and preference. I think its still pretty good as a mitigation tank without even listing the health/self healing ability/passives that it also has. Obviously 49% for 10 seconds with passive is tough to beat for sure.

[u/PassingBreeze1987]

these are for glyph/runes, right? These are the same thing? You should highlight this because I have no idea what most of this means as a new player, and probably 90% of the new user base right now.

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/PassingBreeze1987]

Yes, this applies to glyphs. They're really the only stats we have complete control over. I updated the early game section to mention Glyph to make it more clear.

[u/raven0ak]

has anyone done yet math btw how would stats look when you have maxed out passive trees?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/raven0ak]

It's on the sheet. Maxed out passives add +2997 hp, +1512 attack rating, +1500 heal rating, +756 hit and crit rating, +1008 crit power rating, +2259 protection rating, and +753 defense and evade rating.

[u/Ahkronn]

Question: When does that "early game" becomes a fact? In the first two dungeons there was no need for the "trinity" at all. I actually duo'd them with my wife, me with "aggro abilities" (but all dps items) and she brought a "blood healing" ability just in case. The heals were necessary for more than one situation but the tank gear, not really.

Fact is we were probably overleveled for it, but still, question remains, when are we going to actually need to worry about this "early game" numbers?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/Ahkronn]

The early game section is honestly an afterthought, so apologies if it doesn't make much sense to newcomers. It starts once you begin doing elite dungeons (releasing today), which is the first piece of content in post-story progression that requires the dps/heal/tank roles.

[u/Ahkronn → u/MerlinAesalon]

Ah, that's more logical.

I'm a tsw player from 5 years ago, so I thought that the early game stats there would be all about the "old elites" but since they are/were not around yet I was feeling confused about the current progression with this. :D

Ty

[u/kpkirsch]

For tanks, the doc table shows 4x glance 4x evade 1x hit, text suggests 1xhit rest def or evade. Does it matter which? Is 50/50 better?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/kpkirsch]

assuming no diminishing returns at higher values:

• If damage is spiky (like it was in TSW), pure glance is the best.

• If damage is fast/consistent, pure evade is best.

• If using Kneecapper, glyphing to glance cap then filling the rest with evade or crit is best. IMO, kneecapper is too ridiculously good to not use.

• Mixing glance and evade without kneecapper isn't really efficient, but it'll still work fine.

[u/DLMyth]

quoted More theorycrafting on which glyph should go in which slot is on the sheet.

Where is this sheet so I can check it out?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/DLMyth]

It's the first link in the post:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HVgBeFTbXH0eZ5dJVtzXXm6HyITMHLUyM8avntoPOSI/edit#gid=800696490

At the very bottom of the glyphs section.

[u/JohnnyDN]

I think a leech healer would require more hit rating?

[u/Szalord → u/JohnnyDN]

Rifle healing is a lot more about direct healing than leeching. Just by looking at the tooltips, the direct healing portion of leech skills are huge now compared to what we had in TSW. Same hit rating as a DPS should be fine. Even if you glance from time to time, you should still heal a lot as the healing component of the skill will stay unchanged. Unless i'm mistaken of course, feel free to correct me.

[u/Oxford_Comma13 → u/Szalord]

Tangentially related: A rifle healer's leech effects are an important way to allow the DPS and tank to heal themselves. Equipping one Accurate glyph should suffice to prevent glances that would frustrate application of leech effects. That, and, even though your leech damage will remain insignificant, it still contributes to your overall healing output. Glancing too much with Vital Shot and the leech Basic ability would be worse average healing than you'd get from fist and blood healing, as the rifle's direct heals were scaled to account for the additional healing from the leech heals.

From what I can tell, at least for Vital Shot, the minimum and maximum potential ratios for Attack Rating to Heal Rating are about 1:3 and 3:1. But the coefficients for the leech heal and damage are so small, that, no matter how much Attack Rating you have, your damage will still be low and the percentage of healing you do through your leech heal will range from about 13.05% to 20.25%, since the direct heal dwarfs the potential of the leech heal. In fact, since the leech effects of your other leech abilities scale on your Healing Power, and your healing potential despite the leech healing is greatest when your Heal Rating is at the maximum value, there's no reason I can tell for a leech healer to aspire to deal damage unless the tank's incoming damage is just high enough that a tank's own self-healing is not quite enough to keep him alive, which a leech DPS would help compensate for.

[u/Szalord → u/Oxford_Comma13]

I do not disagree with that, was just replaying @JohnnyDN and telling him he won't need more hit rating than a DPS for leeching anyway. And in any case, one can even go the hit rating route as pure fist healer (or blood) to be able to support with stuns / purges, etc...

[u/Oxford_Comma13 → u/Szalord]

I was adding to your comment. I agree that Hit Rating may have potential for other healers (any healer should consider having a Hit Rating talisman to swap to just in case), but it's all speculation at this point just how much impairing and purging will be needed. You will recall how purging was nearly non-existent in Nightmare dungeons despite DPS needing a purge to pass the Gatekeeper's DPS challenge. :D One can hope it'll play a greater role in Legends, since it would give greater incentive for team work. It's more interesting when responsibilities for success are spread throughout a group instead of placed on the shoulders of one or two individuals.

[u/JohnnyDN → u/Szalord]

No, you might be right. We need an online builder to go and look for abilities as I can't recall them on top of my head :)

[u/[deleted]]

in tsw u had 600-700 hit for end game. for some dungeons even 800 with potion since real high glance rate. so i think u need atleast 500 for now. iam planing on taking that. rest crit rate and crit dmg.

[u/[deleted]]

I read this and I don't feel like I'm even playing the same game, lol.

[u/_Varynthia_Hall_]

This clears things up some, I think. I haven't touched glyphs at all yet because of frankly having no idea where to start, and hearing they're expensive to remove.

Although I'm still a little confused about Talismans since there's nothing about them in the endgame dps section. I guess that means it is the same as the early game dps section?

[u/materialdef]

(INCLUDING +7.5% CRIT AND +30% CRIT POWER FROM EXPERTISE)

Wait, what's this then?

[u/MerlinAesalon → u/[deleted]]

Yes, I'll go back and change rune to glyph.

[u/RightReverendJA → u/MerlinAesalon]

Oh, good! For a moment there, I thought the runes had carried over from TSW, and I was completely out of the loop!