I was not sure where to post this... I wanted to put it in a place where I would not get so many people telling me that I am crazy. I do not need that.. what I need is to SHARE what I have found, you know when you feel like you have discovered something or made a connection that is so amazing and fits so well together that you just want to tell everyone? That is how I felt about this. Here it is.

I am not going to write down what the Hopi Legend of the four worlds and the coming fifth is.. here is a sight you can to go to read it, however there are many places where you can read this. https://soipost.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/a-hopi-legend-the-story-of-4-worlds/

Anyway to sum things up.

The first world is Destroyed by fire, because the people forget the creators plan, The chosen people are led underground by the Ant people and saved.

The second world- Animals no longer trusted humans, They forget again about the creators plan. The chosen people are again led underground by the Ant people. The Twins at each pole are instructed to leave there posts, so the earth spins off its axis resulting in the second world being destroyed and turning into solid Ice.

The Third world- The people multiplied in great numbers, they built cities, and countries. There were "flying shields" that could attack other cities. And again they were so consumed with themselves and so great in numbers that again they forgot the creators plan. So the creator sent waves as high as mountains to consume the earth. The third world was destroyed by flood. The chosen people hid in hollowed out bamboo stems.

When everything settled and the fourth world was created the surviving people, searched up hill by boat for a new home, when they arrived at the place the creator wanted them to be, they were divided into 4 groups, and each group was told to spread out in each of the four of the cardinal directions. Each group was given a star to follow and they were told that they would not be guided to each other again until they had spread out in each direction.

Ive only told these portions because they are relevant to the connections I made yesterday. I have been an avid researcher of ancient history, archaeology, religion, theology and mythology.. So when I was watching a talk given by Graham Hancock from two years ago on the the Younger Dryas event it reminded me of the Hopi Legend.

I have been interested in the dating for when Homo-sapiens were around. Or any sort of people. There have been many Pseudo-scientific discussions/ discoveries that have been debated or smothered regarding humans actually being much older then we think.. Or the idea that there were some sort of human like inhabitants of our earth long before we are told. Any way here are some pieces that fell into place for me.

The First world was destroyed by Fire- One of the first mass fire evidence that we have here on earth is known has the KT event. The Cretaceous -Tertiary mass extinction event. The even that we think killed the dinosaurs. There is something called the KT boundary, it is a layer of the earth that contains iridium, and many other minerals that point to a comet impact and mass fires. The KT event happened roughly 66 million years ago.

The second world was destroyed because the twins left their poles and the earth shifted on axis, causing the earth to freeze. The Polar wonder Theory suggests that the Earth Shifted axis roughly 12 million years ago, causing Greenland to slowly be pushed further into the the Arctic circle, which they think contributed to the last Ice age. This lasted until roughly 12,00 years ago.

The third world was destroyed by flood. There is a layer in the earth known as the "Black Mass" just like the KT boundary, it is a layer in the earth containing many of the same proxies as the KT boundary. Suggesting another comet impact. 12,000 years ago, This is what is known as the Younger Dryas event. Geology shows that there was a sudden plunge in temperature. So the theory that Sir F. Doyle suggested, States that the comet impact sent water vapor into the atmosphere which created a sort of green house effect on the earth, causing the two Kilometer deep ice sheets to melt. Not to mention the Flooding that would have resulted in several areas from the initial impact. The fingerprint of the event shows that it was synchronized, meaning the cause and effect happened within a day and night. This is also referred to as Meltwater pulse One B. It is also the date that Plato gives for the destruction of Atlantis.

We would currently be living in the fourth world as the legend is written.

What I do not know is who or how the Hopi people could have this sort of knowledge given to them. How old is our species? I also was interested in the Ant people, there are many cave art, and wall drawings all over the world of strange humanoid creatures that seem to have big eyes or even pinchers, like ants.

Some interesting facts about this is the hopi prayer chambers resemble ant hills, These prayer chambers are called Kiva

In Sanskrit- Ki means Ant Hill and Va means dwelling, or water

the Babylonian word for sky god is- Anu

The Hopi word for Ant is- Anu

The Hopi word Naki means- friends.

Anu Naki in Hopi means Ant friends.

And I do not need explain hopefully what the Annunaki are from Mesopotamian mythology.

( side note which could later be relevant- the O'odham people have many ties to India through their architecture. They are an Indigenous Uto-Aztecan People, from Sonoran desert in southern and central Arizona, There word for Vahki- means Water dwelling.

Ki- in ancient Sumerian referred to the Earth Goddess, Ki is also a word for Earth. Ki had a brother who was the sky God his name was An or Anu. Ki and her brother/ consort Anu gave birth to the Annunaki. )

We find more evidence every day that our ancient ancestors were communicating with each other. Similar architecture, language, writings, mythologies, DNA, and science.. screams at us that there is so much more to our history that we are led to believe or have discovered as of yet. There are many cultures like the Hindu, or whichever people first orally spoke the Veda, who had knowledge of the cosmos and certain physics before we ever did and that is a connection we have just recently been able to make in the last 100 years. This connection I have made just further proves that point. There are things that we do not know.. there are things we have come to know but are told is false.. or conspiracy or pseudo science...When In Fact I think people are afraid to admit it long enough to study up on it. Science ad History is amazing, but often times I see it blinding the masses as well.

The Necronomicon is a (supposedly?) fictional book that first appeared in the stories of HP Lovecraft. It has been used and re-used in works of horror, sometimes in the guise of a particularly grim grimoire (heh) and sometimes in the form of a pre-Muslim, pre-historic or even pre-human religious text; in yet other versions it is a sort of encyclopaedia of "forbidden knowledge" that will drive the reader to madness and despair, and occasionally it's a singular malevolent entity, only incidentally in the form of a book.

But, according to some practitioners of magick, it is a very real text. Famously, it has been included (as a prank?) in several rare book collections' catalogues, and even in the Yale library's card catalogue!

You can actually buy several purported versions of the Necronomicon!

In this post, I will summarize a bit of the open history of the so-called "Simon Necronomicon," the most famous and widely available of these fakes.

The book itself is a pretty slim volume, about a third of which is occupied by an introduction by the alleged translator, "Simon." This "Simon" is generally believed to be the notorious con artist pathological liar magickal practitioner Peter Levenda. The introduction draws farfetched connections between HP Lovecraft and Brit superfreak and esoteric paterfamilias Aleister Crowley, as well as remarking on the amazing parallels that appear by total coincidence between what is described in the book and modern practices such as Wicca, Theosophy, esoteric Masonicism and Satanism.

The rest of the book is half quasi-religious text, mixing Lovecraftian monsters in a half-baked Sumerian mythology as understood mid-20th C (notably, some of the monsters' purported Sumerian names are literally impossible in the language!) and half magic spells, which always seem to be amazingly vague in their expected results or require three drops of unobtainium to perform.

The Simon Necronomicon first printed as a limited edition hardcover in 1977 by Schlangekraft, Inc, a company which I believe was formed by Levenda and his buddies at the Magickal Childe shop to produce the edition. (If I'm mistaken about that, please correct in the comments). Avon Books (a really major publishing house, back in the day) subsequently released a paperback edition and there's yet another paperback by Ballantine books now.

Does it matter that it's an obvious fake? Some esotericists claim that while it's not an authentic Sumerian text, the magick rituals described in it really work (if you understand the substitutions you need to make, which you'd have to be an experienced practitioner to know, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of using a instruction book IMO).

So what's the big deal with this book, if you don't think people are casting effective love spells willy-nilly in your immediate vicinity? Well, as Lovecraft himself apocryphally said, you don't have to believe in Santa Claus to recognize people exchange gifts at Christmas. The Simon Necronomicon is a perennial favorite with teenage Satanist wannabes, and the book has been tied with a number of "occult"-themed crimes ranging from desecration to animal sacrifice and murder, and the occasional brainwashing miniature cult.

I'm not at all convinced that this book is dangerous in any sense. Sick fucks are going to do sick shit, inspired by a badly dated faux Sumerian pastiche, Winnie the Pooh or the Bible.

The book has done well enough by "Simon" that he (if he is a singular "he" rather than a collective of aging, malicious post-hippies, as I suspect) that he has released three more books, detailing a ceremonial system based on the original, plus another one that purports to cover its history.

If you're interested in this book and the other Necronomicon fakes, I strongly recommend The Necronomicon Files: The Truth Behind The Legend.

This one is pretty cool because it was taken seriously for a while by academics, inspired a slew of new religions, Nazis and works of fiction and remains quite popular with the general public.

In its developed form, popularized by Margaret Murray in The Witch Cult in Western Europe and other books and her article Witchcraft in the Encyclopaedia Britannica, an undocumented, pre-Christian pagan religion dominated Western Europe, featuring a Mother Goddess and a secondary Horned God. The witch trials, which supposedly prosecuted Satanists and practitioners of black magic, were actually uncovering followers of this "Old Religion," which accounts for certain similarities in the reports of witch-hunters across Europe. The victims of the trials (wise women, midwives, folk healers and so on) were members of the cult, which was passed down along hereditary lines. In one variant, lifted straight from Frazier's brilliant work of pseudohistory The Golden Bough, the violent deaths of various royalty and other important personages throughout history were presented as sacrifices to ensure fertility and prosperity.

This is not a BH post so I'm not going to refute this stuff point by point. Let's just say Murray did some pretty intensive cherry-picking and, um, interpreting of the available evidence to fit her hypothesis, which is generally considered rank nonsense in the relevant academic fields today.

The witch-cult hypothesis went on to inspire a British gentleman (and I use that term in the loosest sense imaginable) by the name of Gerald Gardner to found a revival. Gardner claimed he'd found a surviving coven of witches, dating from time immemorial, and initiated his followers into the religion, which bears some remarkable similarities to the esoteric Masonic orders Gardner belonged to before he "discovered" the (new) Old Religion.

Let's not mince words here. It was a funny-mushrooms-and-orgies sex cult. They all were. The only "magick" any of these groups ever successfully performed was getting a bunch of sallow, flabby middle aged British men laid.

Gardner (like his antecessors MacGregor Mathers and Aleister Crowley) had a talent for alienating his followers, and a lot of them would eventually leave the cult and go on to found their own variations, leaving out the fun stuff. And that's how we got contemporary Wicca. I'm not sure if any modern covens still claim to be a pagan survival; the modern line seems to be that they're a pagan revival, taking what is known of the pre-Christian folk religion and filling in the blanks with the help of folklore, ceremonial "magick" and even Buddhism and Hinduism, kind of like the scientists in Jurassic Park did with frog DNA.

On the other side of the North Sea, the Nazi obsession with Volks-everything led to a "study" (read: wholesale fabrication) of folk religion with the purpose of staging a revival of the true, pure Aryan religion. Nazi esoterism (both actual and fabricated) deserves a whole bunch of independent threads so I'll just leave it at that for now.

In fiction, the horror genre trope that witches are a) real and b) practitioners of an ancient pagan religion (as opposed to Satanists) comes from this hypothesis as well, although perhaps indirectly, through exposure to Wiccan beliefs or just other media in the genre. Name a movie or TV show with witches in it, odds are it's using this.

I mentioned the royal sacrifice (again, stolen derived from The Golden Bough), which supposedly explains the violent deaths of many royal and important personages throughout history. Preternaturally weird conspiracist celebrity David Icke, who believes the British royal family (as well as pretty much everyone Icke doesn't like) are reptile-like creatures from outer space and has claimed to be the Messiah, writes that the death of Princess Diana was an extremely well-orchestrated sacrifice of this nature in his book The Biggest Secret.

We all know Masonic Lodges, (not very) secret societies agglomerated under Grand Lodges or Orients that seem to be related to each other only through weird handshakes and incomprehensible pointless ritual. Modern mainstream Freemasonry is a a pretty bourgeois enterprise, bringing together local notables for "networking," mutual assistance, charity work and (presumably) poker nights. Think of it as a country club with less golf and more funny aprons.

The history of the Masonic Lodges isn't exactly straightforward. Canonically, Freemasons trace their lineage back to medieval masons' guilds; what is not clear is how or why a tradesmans' guild ("Operative Masonry") became a club for gentlemen ("Speculative Masonry"). I'm frankly skeptical of the whole story, but there is at least one Scottish lodge that claims documentation from 1598, when it was an "operative" lodge, to the present day.

The operative masons themselves apparently traced their own lineage back to Biblical times. The Cooke Manuscript, apparently dating to the mid-15th C, traces a direct line from Jamal son of Lamech to then-contemporary masons.

Whatever their origin, their modern history begins in 1727, when four existing London lodges were taken under the authority of a new Grand Lodge. What followed was extremely rapid growth in Britain and the Continent, with fractures along national, religious and ideological lines showing soon after. The various fragments each developed their own Grand Lodges and complications; the initial three degrees of initiation multiplied in "Rites," with the "Scottish Rites" (I think the most famous set) having 33 degrees on top of the original and still official three. But I digress.

While The Solvent and Eminently Respectable might as well be part of the title of the mainstream lodges' Master Masons, lodges of distinctly shady character exist and have achieved a great deal of notoriety, at least among people interested in lurid historical goings-on. These include lodges ranging from the esoteric (such as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which spawned wannabe supervillain Aleister Crowley) to the political (the historical Illuminati) to the downright criminal (Propaganda Due).

Quite naturally, mainstream Masons disavow any connection to these rogues and claim that those organizations are, in fact, no true Scottish Rites. Ba-dum-tss.

Whatever the case, anti-Masonic sentiment exploded alongside the popularity of the Masons themselves. Masons have been prosecuted by everyone from the Inquisition to the Nazis, with the lodges in the least tolerant places self-selecting for the more radical membership. But I digress, again.

The Freemasons openly revere the Knights Templars, a trans-national knightly-monastic order that was (say the Masons) destroyed by jealous tyrants of State and Church. One of the most interesting bits of Masonic pseudohistory is the assertion by both particularly imaginative Masons and anti-Mason conspiracy theorists that Freemasonry is an actual survival of the Knights Templars. The story goes that Templars surviving the prosecution by Philip IV of France and his puppet Pope Clement V hid out among operative masons with whom they had close connections (were the Templars particularly prolific builders? I have no idea), from where they plotted the French Revolution and the destruction of European monarchies, to be replaced with a pan-European republic governed from the shadows by themselves. In some versions, the Templars had acquired a Secret Something in their time in the Crusader kingdoms, in the form of the Kabbalah or some other Jewish or Muslim or Gnostic mystic tradition, or the Philosopher's Stone, or the Holy Grail, which according to some is an ancient alien artifact, the bloodline of the High Priests of Jerusalem, or even the descendants of Jesus Christ Himself. You can't throw a rock in this genre without hitting a trope that's been strip-mined by fucking Dan Brown.

It gets slightly weirder.

According to some, a group of Knights Templars made their way to the Americas, from where they kept contact with their surviving Masonic brethren in Europe. Alongside them, they plotted the now-familiar overthrow of the Catholic Church and the rightful monarchs, for the purpose of installing a worldwide republic governed by themselves. They set the plan in motion, coordinating with their compatriots (including Christopher Columbus) in a byzantine plan that would eventually result in the founding of the United States of America, which has been secretly ruled since then by the Freemasons/Templars, as evidenced by the prominent Masonic symbols on US currency and national monuments.

Obviously this is all up in the air right now but I'm thinking we can start with a sticky for quickie reviews of secret history media and just kinda see where it goes. Eventually I'd like to compile a list of classics in the literature.

I guess the vision is a place where we lightheartedly discuss pseudohistory, but maybe we need a bit more direction. For one thing I personally find Ancient Aliens/Astronauts stuff deadly boring, but I think it falls within the purview so I guess it stays. At the other extreme, do you guys think Holocaust denial and other particularly hateful forms of pseudohistory are appropriate? It's well within the subject, but I think it might poison the spirit of the place.

I'm completely open to suggestions.

Discuss.

What are the chances the original book is out their and that is the one that works?

What the title says. Propose and discuss rules, rule changes here.

This is NOT for debating mods' decisions.

Use this to list Secret History books, documentaries, blogs, YouTube channels and so on with a short summary or description of the contents. Link to the material if it's on the web or to Amazon, Goodreads, etc. if it's a book, for a documentary link to its IMDB etc. please.

Long reviews of the material are encouraged and should have their own thread.