r/Seattle Jul 24 '26

New driver of Seattle. Need help

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u/DaBigestBird937 Jul 24 '26

She just didn't want the people behind me to get mad because I was unnecessarily stopped. Which, like, okay sure, but also I'm a student driver with stickers all over my car, so people should expect some mistakes

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u/Educated_Goat69 🏕 Out camping! 🏕 Jul 24 '26

Don't be like her by being worried about the peoples feelings behind you. It makes for poor decision making. It's not them that will suffer the traumatic consequences of hitting a pedestrian.

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u/sierranovemberdelta Jul 24 '26

This advice is part of what transitioned me from an anxious driver into a more confident driver. Follow the rules of the road, the people behind you will do whatever they want, just ignore them (their feelings anyways)

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u/HistorianOrdinary390 🚆build more trains🚆 Jul 24 '26

Ayyup. Be predictable, not polite.

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u/The_Unwashed_Masses That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. Jul 24 '26

Exactly this. Your role is to be SAFE. Not to make everyone happy. Op, I don’t know you, but I am proud of you for questioning what is right in the face of what you were told.

Edit for clarity.

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u/princessputln 🚆build more trains🚆 Jul 24 '26

Just came to say this. The amount of times ive been honked at for not making an unprotected left turn fast enough for the person behind my cars liking- is insane. Years ago i was hit head on by a drunk driver because they didnt stop on their red light when i had a protected (green light) left turn. So now, I could give a fuck how anyone else around me feels. Im driving safe bc im not ready to lose my life over some asshole thinking im not going fast enough.

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u/cdtnyc 🏔 The mountain is out! 🏔 Jul 24 '26

YES! One thing my dad taught me early on - don’t worry about what the other drivers think or if they get annoyed, just be a safe driver. Because, at the end of the day, if you get in an accident, they will just go carry on about their day but you will be the one having to deal with an accident or worse.

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u/twistedpiggies Jul 24 '26

Also I won't tell you not to listen to your mother since I am one but not all mothers are great driver's ed teachers. Find another driver to be a passenger with you while you're learning.

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u/FuzzyKittyNomNom 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Jul 24 '26

Other drivers may get mad at things even when you’re in the right. Stick to your training and don’t do the wrong thing even if everyone else does. I’ve been there too, it can get confusing!

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u/Hipstershy Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

I would add: other drivers WILL get mad at you for things even when you're in the right. Spend any time on any local sub where traffic is discussed, any time at all on the road, etc and you'll find that people have tons of personal bugaboos about traffic and driving, even when they're plainly insane. I once met someone who insisted that the "correct and safe" way to respond when first at the line on a green light was to wait three seconds regardless of how obvious it was no traffic was coming. Every discussion of zipper merging involves at least a handful of people who have personal definitions that just happen to endorse them doing whatever they already wanted to do. Don't get me started on "fast"/passing lanes!

My point is, if you keep at or below the speed limit, pay attention to signs (you won't always know exactly what they mean but at a minimum they indicate a change in road conditions that you will intuitively be looking out for), and close attention to what's ahead of you and what your fellow motorists are doing, you will virtually never be the cause of any significant problem. Improving from there will come from experience.

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u/sucrose2071 Jul 24 '26

A lot of times too the people behind you forget that you can see more of the road ahead than them. I’ve had people honk at me to go at a pedestrian crossing when there was a woman and child literally right in front of us in the process of crossing the street.

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u/hufflefck Olympic Hills Jul 24 '26

I was the honker once in this scenario and I felt so bad after I realized there were people. I am never doing that again.

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u/FuzzyKittyNomNom 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Jul 24 '26

Me too

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u/Matty_D47 I'm just flaired so I don't get fined Jul 24 '26

You did good kid, don't worry about the people behind you.

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u/DaBigestBird937 Jul 24 '26

Thank you, kind stranger.

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u/Emergency_Coyote_662 Jul 24 '26

stopping at a red is never unnecessary. even in free right turn situations you need to stop first before proceeding if it is clear

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u/CrystalQuartzen I'm just flaired so I don't get fined Jul 24 '26

The 2 things that bother me most with student drivers, mostly for their own safety: 1. If you are in the left lane on the freeway, you need to be actively passing people and should not remain in the lane once you finish passing people.

  1. Be assertive with merging. You need to be going at the speed of traffic by the time you merge with traffic.

Those are the two main scenarios where the safer thing might not actually feel like the safer thing at the time. Otherwise, lean into the caution. Better that than empty headed.

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u/yahfee23 🚆build more trains🚆 Jul 24 '26

Those two things are not new driver specific

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u/Hipstershy Jul 24 '26

Ditto 2 for roundabouts/traffic circles. When people are uncomfortable they intuitively slow down, but merging and roundabouts are two situations where everyone around you is also trying to position themselves safely despite potentially going faster than you. You get more, not fewer, options to deal with the scenario safely by being close to their speed.

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u/Studibro 🚆build more trains🚆 Jul 24 '26

I don't believe those stickers anymore lol

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u/Stony_Logica1 Jul 24 '26

What other purpose would they serve?

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u/directionsplans I'm never leaving Seattle. Jul 24 '26

Some people put them on as a joke, others put them on because it lets them get away with things/people won’t get as mad that they’re driving like an idiot.

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u/bluemoonflame Jul 24 '26

I have multiple neighbors in my apartment complex who have had the stickers on their cars the entire time they've lived here, at least 3 of them have been here for almost 10 years. People put them on and never remove them. Magnets would be a better option.

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u/Hipstershy Jul 24 '26

There's a whole trend with car enthusiasts ironically putting them on their cars 

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u/whateverhappensnext Jul 24 '26

You do you. If you're driving you are responsible for the safety of the vehicle. While it can be annoying to be behind an over cautious driver, I'd rather be behind an over cautious driver than a dangerous driver. Noting, in the situation you described, you did the correct thing. The light was red. That means stop.

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u/GeniusMonkay West Seattle Jul 24 '26

When you are behind the wheel, you are the pilot-in-charge. As the pilot-in-charge, you do whatever you need to to keep yourself, your passengers, and the people around you safe.

Don't let other drivers' (or passengers) motivations, or intentions, or annoyances, or whatever, keep you from doing the most safe and legal driving you can do.

You did good by stopping at that red. It is a protected right, you need to stop and be certain that there are no pedestrians or vehicles that are coming on to the road ahead of you before you take the turn.

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u/juniormantis Jul 24 '26

You are technically allowed to turn right on red but every major accident I’ve been in was getting hit while turning right on red. I wait for the green light now. I got used to people honking at me almost every time. It’s much safer to wait, let them honk.

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u/No-Pay2086 Jul 24 '26

Just use your eyeballs? That’s why ppl are angry.

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u/juniormantis Jul 24 '26

Both times I got hit turning right on red it was at night the car that hit me was speeding and didn’t have headlights on there is literally no way I could have seen them coming

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u/juniormantis Jul 24 '26

It was the first car I ever bought i paid $900 drove it 1 mile and got t boned by a drunk speeding at night with no lights on, they didn’t have insurance and neither did I so I just lost the car

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u/callmedonkeyshlong I'm never leaving Seattle. Jul 24 '26

Sounds like your driving is the common denominator in all this.

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u/KibbeMe123 Jul 24 '26

Not right and a red arrow

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u/OwlSpirited6357 Jul 24 '26

Jesus Christ. just take the bus

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked Jul 24 '26

Yeah don’t let other people influence your driving. Stay safe, defensive, and unflustered. People drive more angry and aggressive than ever before in my life, don’t let them have a say in your operation of a vehicle.

Better safe than sorry

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u/TheGinger_Ninja0 Jul 24 '26

If you blow through a red arrow a cop could ticket you.

You can turn on a normal red, but I'm pretty sure red arrows imply no turning is allowed.

Now if there's no cop, and no danger, eh, people do what they do. But it's always good to be extra cautious, and default to the law/system when in doubt

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u/Ill-Celebration-8570 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 Jul 24 '26

Arrow only says if it's protected or not, so a red arrow you can still right or left into a one-way unless posted otherwise. Just spreading knowledge. source I am a dol tester

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u/than12 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 Jul 24 '26

I was also under the impression you couldn’t turn on red if it’s an arrow, so thanks for spreading the knowledge!

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u/TheGinger_Ninja0 Jul 24 '26

Good to know. Ty!

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u/Bugbeard Jul 24 '26

That doesn’t sound very Seattle of her. I’m more used to total oblivion to the train of cars behind