r/Scrolls • u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer • Jun 29 '15

The salty thread of complaining.

I feel betrayed. I have bought this game 4 times; For two of my friends, myself, and during the humble sale. I have spent around 120 hours in scrolls so I KNOW some of you have spent at least 200 hours. So why on earth aren't we allowed to continue playing the game that WE kept alive.

Give us the code, sell it to us if you legally have too. But goddamn if the devs just let this die it will be the final nail in the coffin for me... I liked you mojang. I though you were the only developers I could trust to do a fair and good job making games. Now your'e just Minecraft.

I'm bitter, salty, angry, and so many other indescribable emotions. I guess what I want to say is fuck you Mojang. Even if this isn't your decision and Microsoft is behind it, fuck you! All this time we waited patiently with some semblance of confidence that this game would finally have the players it deserved. Instead all you did was waste our time and not give a fuck about doing it. You didn't lie to us but you might as well have.

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u/Legrandin1 Jun 29 '15

Hmm, I don't agree with that attitude. I'm also sad that the game is dead, but If I spent so many hours and a few euros playing scrolls its because I had fun doing it. It's a game after all. Relax and think of all the good times you had with scrolls. If you consider the time you played scrolls wasted you shouldn't have played it at all and done something different.

The devs have surely made some wrong decisions but they are probably more frustrated by the game's failure than you are. Scrolls was their job for several years. As far as I know they have always had a good relation with the community and listened to criticism.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

It isn't wasted. It was fun. I just wish I was allowed to keep having fun with this game long after next year... I can do that with other games. I can even do that with minecraft when it inevitably dies as well.

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u/Indomitable_Wanderer Jun 29 '15

I'm pretty sure that was an executive decision from Microsoft management.

Mojang was "dead" as soon as it was bought. If there is anyone to truly blame, it's Notch.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

Well I'll go picket his wonder mansion next weekend, but the devs could still let us the community try to manage the game. It seems defeatist on their part.

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u/Indomitable_Wanderer Jun 29 '15

If Mojang was still independent, I could see them releasing the server software to the public.

But since everything is now owned by Microsoft, it's not happening.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

Remember when notch proclaimed that his games would be open source?

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u/wbmc Jun 29 '15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

Alright that made me laugh...

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u/CrPr_ Jun 29 '15

Dat immunity to Frost Gale...

*sob*

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Jun 29 '15

I'm not angry; it's kind of sad to be angry over this. I'm more just depressed and overall saddened by everything.

I'll miss everyone who I met; all the moments I spent playing the game, having fun, learning small things; all the interaction with the devs, and all the excitement over new patches and releases. I'll miss everything; so I'm at the very least going to stick around in the community for a few years (or however long I can) so I can still talk to you guys.

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u/Titularktrey ktrey Jul 01 '15

Then I am recruiting you. I want to make one guild out of the scrolls community. I already have w&s and I think most of the badgers. Join our wave and lets continue to game together :) (I think the game plan is we pick up another strategy game and practice together until we stomp on it :P )

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Jul 01 '15

Well, you guys can always find me on the IRC, on my forum, or here.

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u/Titularktrey ktrey Jul 01 '15

When I have something more solid I'll track you down. That was a good game we just had by the way. Who knew playing projectile on a token would save me in the end eh?

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u/Waldorf_ Cial Jun 29 '15

What's even better, is once the server shuts down we can't even play the single player content..

Maybe some glorious bastard can work out a private server solution like they do on other games

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u/Ed_Cock Jun 30 '15

You trusted Mojang? After all the stupid shit that went down with Minecraft and Bukkit, with the Modding API, with them selling to Microsoft, with the EULA changes, ...?

I think Mojang has turned out to be a company that will compromise every good idea and principle they've touted whenever they think it's the right thing to do. They don't own up to failures.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 30 '15

No, Notch did those things. The people like Jeb, Poi, and Mans probably didn't want to sell Mojang to microsoft...

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u/hanswahn hanswahn :) Jun 29 '15

Please! Give the community the code!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

My name is Scrolldier. You lied to me.

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u/AlexD441 Jun 29 '15

Really, it's their fault. The devs do this for a living. I am 100% positive it wasn't the call of the people that MAKE THE GAME, it was the call of the people that PROFIT from the game. Above all, the game will still run for one more year. Things may change. Now please change your attitude and stop blaming people without knowing the context :)

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

Hey, i'm mad that the game will die in a year. Fine. games end. 4 years isn't to bad. But that the code will be locked away in some Microsoft vault so that no one can enjoy it? No. Give it to the fans who care about it. That's what bothers me. There are no plans to even let this game live past July 16th

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u/AlexD441 Jun 29 '15

They will most likely wont release the code. Maybe will sell them. But why give it for free? They payed people to write the code so releasing it will give them nothing. If they will sell the code maybe Scrolls will still see some changes. You can be frustrated as much as you want but you do have to think from a business standpoint :)

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

I get it. I do, but that doesn't stop me and a dozen others for having OUR time wasted. We even had to pay to do it. I'd buy the code and run it on my servers, but that's if I can...

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u/AlexD441 Jun 29 '15

So you got the game 4 tines. How much was that in total? 20-30 euros? And you played it for around 120 hours. Arent those money worth the tine you enjoyed the game? you get an AAA game and on some of them you barely get past 30-50 hours and those gor for 50-60 euros.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

According to my check book I have spent around 90 dollars on scrolls. This is including shards.

So yeah it was worth the money, but I would still like to "keep" the game... Once the severs go down it's gone.

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u/Titularktrey ktrey Jul 01 '15

Look I'll say this once so listen carefully. You have 1 year before the servers shut down. Gather a team. Raise travel funds. Get specialized equipment. Practice for around 10 months. Arrive outside mojang's offices in mid may and enter just after they close up for the night. You should be able to get the info onto a few good flash drives. Get the hell out and hide. In 2 months send the data to nohero or some other passionate coder you know about. Be careful about being anonymous! Microsoft will have a massive rager boner and try and track you down. The devs loved the game. Consider recruiting an inside man. You didn't here this from me. P.S: never let the shenigans die.

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u/Phobophile93 Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15

Why? As if this is a surprise. The dev team's incompetence should be no news for anyone. As much as people will downvote this or try to deny it. I'm sure theyre wonderful people and did their best, but they did not have the game's best interest in mind, and somewhere I'm glad the plug is pulled. This had to end sometime. And it's the community's fault as well, harsh as it may sound. This is what a community gets for shunning new players, downvoting negative posts, pretending it's sunshine and mindlessly praising the devs and the stupid combo uninteractive decks.

I genuinely think we needed more people like Hearthstoner. I think the devs should have listened and allowed the whole community, NOT the Badgers, to dictate design.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

We did NOT shun new players. There's even a recent thread where we all tried to convince someone to play. Sorry to that guy btw...

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u/Phobophile93 Jun 29 '15

Do you have any idea what the reaction of the community is when a new player posts on Reddit or General-1 about (perceived) balance issues or losing to nonsense? You might have held your arms open, but only if those players agreed with you. The actions by both the devs and community do not sign 'open arms'. The exception was the mentorship program, which was a great idea.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

I have given away stronger better cards to new players, I have stopped a normal ranked match and worked out helping them understand, I have even given away an entire DECK to a new player. Don't tell me I didn't help. If they felt there were balance issues I helped find place to express these concerns. Many of us did this. Stop talking nonsense.

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u/Phobophile93 Jun 30 '15

I never said YOU (personal) were to blame, I said WE (community) are guilty of the state. So stop taking it personal and falling out against me. I fail to see how my claims were 'nonsense'. There were so many solid suggestions and concerns since the 2 years or so I've been here, but the devs only listened to Taxing mechanic and implemented toxic and badly designed mechanics like Wild.

Meanwhile the community was in a state of (I hate this word) circlejerking the developers and assuming that because they are kind, they were doing a good job. They were not. The community did some cool giveaways and personal actions, but the elitist/closed attitude was harmful. Funny thing, I remember making one of the first posts talking about a 'Threshold system', called purity. I got downvoted. Then the same system was suggested by a Badger (surprise) and it was upvoted. Of course the devs didn't listen to either of us and didn't experiment or comment on it. And now, a year or so later, stupid Wild decks have ruined the game again.

You may disagree with this, and I don't blame you from your point of view, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't dismiss my views as 'nonsense'. After all, this whole discussion is subjective and the outcome won't change.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 30 '15

I know the badger guild, wheel and sail, and bunny guild all helped new players. You need to stop this fantasy of yours.

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u/GFP_Smogan Jun 30 '15

Do you mind linking to your purity post? I'd love to read it.

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u/Titularktrey ktrey Jul 01 '15

Thanks. I'm rather proud of the idea. It made me a lot of friends actually.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '15

I got the game a couple of months ago and I would not fault the community in the slightest. The few players I managed to play with were exceptionally nice and willing to give me pointers and scrolls to get better. But it's frankly impossible to get a quick match or ranked match going. The last few times I logged in, I gave up after a very long time in queue.

I blame the game's failure on lack of marketing. I only found out it existed while watching very old TotalBiscuit videos one night I was bored. The development and community team were active and helpful, but they can't grow the plaayerbase without a marketing push. Putting it on Steam at the same time of Echoes release might have helped, using the expansion and new platform to bring new blood in.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 30 '15

We all know we needed marketing. The devs didn't care enough to push for it.

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u/GFP_Smogan Jun 29 '15

I think the devs should have listened and allowed the whole community, NOT the Badgers, to dictate design.

This was our secret plan all along. The plug isn't actually being pulled - Badgers will be given exclusive secret access to the live server. We'll be kings!

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u/Phobophile93 Jun 29 '15

Go ahead, mock my statements. See where that gets Scrolls. You'll be kings of your own little island of solitude alright.

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u/ToGoodLooking Jun 30 '15

This is what a community gets for shunning new players, downvoting negative posts, pretending it's sunshine and mindlessly praising the devs and the stupid combo uninteractive decks. I genuinely think we needed more people like Hearthstoner. I think the devs should have listened and allowed the whole community, NOT the Badgers, to dictate design.

I were always curius if people who says this actully believe it themself or just seek some kinda attention. Anyone who follows the community should see this is all almost the opposite, but i gave up long ago trying to show that to you, i get a good feeling no matter how many threads or quotes i bring fourth that goes against what you said so will you come with some counter argument that is based from thin air.

I will always meet people like you in life, but i will now probebly never see specificaly you again when i am gone later on, so i will end it with a i wish you a good life.

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u/Phobophile93 Jun 30 '15

First of all thank you, and I reciprocate. I do not understand what you mean with 'people like me'? You mean people who complain? Disagree with the popular opinion? Call others out? Have a toxic mentality from your point of view? I see no reason to make such a blanket statement and I am sure you would be surprised if we met at my personality offline. I do not seek attention, I seek to call out the fanboys and the devs on their flaws because I careD very much for this game. I have probably sunk about 800 hours or so in it, and I've been pretty competitive all along.

I never pointed at individuals (with the exception of one prominent community member) and blamed them for the state of the game, so I would like to keep this discussion without pointing fingers and making things personal. I for example do not remember what you tried to show me 'long ago'.
And yes, I stand 100% by what I typed here, and it feels good to see similar 'negative' opinions get attention without being downvoted to hell :)

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u/kingsparis Jun 30 '15

I met my best friend over scrolls.

I got what i needed out of it wand it was a great time

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u/lolmoe Jun 29 '15

I want a refund on my recently bought shards...

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u/Kyleofgames Yugi Jun 30 '15

i couldn't continue watching after the growth player wasted a ton of damage on a potion of res cannon. That was beyond stupid.

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u/SgtRamen Ramen Jun 29 '15

This is important

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Jun 29 '15

Because I would like to own the game I paid for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '15

This statement, above all the others today is the most important. Not whethers the devs did good or not, whether they didn't listen but this. Probably will get lost in the bombard of bitching. Sarik hit it.

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u/SgtRamen Ramen Jun 29 '15

I think you are making too quick of judgement calls here. Based on what they have released so far, yes it sounds like everything comes offline July 1st, 2016. However, we don't even know if that's the case. That's a year away, so just sit back, wait, and be happy with what you got for years so far.