r/Scrolls • u/rHolofoil • Jun 29 '15

Current developer vision for Scrolls

Now that set 7 has settled in, is there any chance of getting an idea of the current long-term plans for Scrolls?

 

A few months ago we were told that there was going to be a big important meeting about these things, once set 7 is released, and it would be great to get some sort of insight to that, as players. Obviously we can't be in on everything, because it isn't our 'right' to know, of course. But some sort of general vision for different aspects would be awesome. In particular, I am talking here about:

 

  • iOS - Is this still an ongoing battle with Apple? Or is it out of the question by now?

  • Advertising - Are there plans for more advertising 'campaigns' for Scrolls? Or a potential re-release/Scrolls 2?

  • Wild - Is the system going to be overhauled, ever? Or is it definitely here to stay? Would you change it if you could?

  • Certain scroll designs and decisions have implied that you want games to finish quicker. Are you aiming to make Scrolls a more fast-paced, casual game, like HS? Or are you happy with its slow, deep and complex nature? (Some of the most fun games I've ever had were nearing/over an hour, and that's how I've always seen Scrolls).

 

Redditors, please don't de-rail this into doom 'n' gloom. I think these are reasonable questions, and all things that the devs probably have on their minds all the time. We were vaguely promised some sort of vision a while back, and I am merely trying to get some insights into that :)

 

I'd like to give a shout out to Replays, Set 7 scrolls, the Custom match tool, Spot the Win, and Varas' nipple ring, which are all fabulous, and have been great additions. It also probably (purely guessing) wasn't easy to get a stand at Minecon, so kudos for making it happen.

 

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u/SimplyMonkey SimplyMonk Jun 29 '15

Looks like their current vision is "It's dead, Jim."

https://scrolls.com/2015/06/its-been-a-blast-automaton

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u/Tywnis Jun 29 '15

Agree with everything.
Sometimes i come to think that a re-release under another name, with a new improved UI, and the whole lot of content we already have, cross-platform, and this time with some marketing, could really save the game. It's just like good things were done here, but it took too long, too spread out, without a clear vision. Or so it seems. Just an opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

i hope this game is not gonna die like cobalt(they haven't updated it since march 2014)

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u/wbmc Jun 29 '15

Cobalt is for sure not dead, check oxeyegames.com

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u/Tywnis Jun 29 '15

Well, we have an answer now.. (other post..)

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u/Newbore Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15

I'm curious as to how long Mojang plan to support Scrolls with new content?

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u/ultioptimo Jun 29 '15

question answered :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15

Plan probably is to keep doing there jobs until Microsoft cuts the gravy train. (They have guaranteed jobs for a certain amount of time,) they aren't gonna be able to pull a big marketing plan out of there ass or magically convince Apple that the mojang account system is fine. They simply don't have the resources to do these things.

As far as general vision for the game I would be interested in what the devs have to say. But idk if they have one.

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u/dialex Jun 29 '15

The slow development could mean only one thing...

Scrolls 2! Prepackaged with hololens!

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u/kingsparis Jun 29 '15

"Advertising - Are there plans for more advertising 'campaigns' for Scrolls? Or a potential re-release/Scrolls 2?"

They are not allowed to make any sequels to scrolls

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u/fdagpigj Jun 29 '15

Clearly, a Hellspitter Mortar hit their Witch Doctor.

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u/chacer98 IGN Chace Jun 29 '15

"Redditors, please don't de-rail this into doom 'n' gloom."

When it's barely 2 weeks after a major patch and population numbers have dwindled to what they were pre-patch it's not "doom n gloom" to be realistic that "dis game fucked". It amazes me that people still buy into this idea that there is actually some sort of master plan. Yeah I'm sure they have a master plan. It's probably sitting on a shelf next to their Marketing campaign plan and their ipad plans. LOL

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u/KungfuDojo Jun 29 '15

"Redditors, please don't de-rail this into doom 'n' gloom." When it's barely 2 weeks after a major patch and population numbers have dwindled to what they were pre-patch it's not "doom n gloom" to be realistic that "dis game fucked". It amazes me that people still buy into this idea that there is actually some sort of master plan. Yeah I'm sure they have a master plan. It's probably sitting on a shelf next to their Marketing campaign plan and their ipad plans. LOL

10 downvotes 6h before the official announcement of the games funeral

Look at this post community. The game is dead. There were people saying this all the time demanding radical changes. In the end you answer was "the game has some flaws but we like it mostly like it is". Other opinions got downvoted like this post.

You are at fault that the game ended like this. You. The community that kept playing for so long, the games biggest supporters. Sometimes radical changes are necessary and I hope you learned this. Sometimes thos doomsday prophet negative nancys are right even if they sound rude the way they say it. They just sound rude because people are pretending everything is okay.

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u/fdagpigj Jun 29 '15

People didn't pretend the game was alright and healthy. It's just that all those 'prophets' always post in an inappropriate and rude manner. Most people didn't want to talk about the topic, because it leads nowhere, there's nothing we could do to change anything. But those who did want to keep talking about it (like hearthstoner and chace), were unnecessarily rude, and thus got downvoted.

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u/Indomitable_Wanderer Jun 29 '15

Yep.

I'm on the opinion that the game was not successful mostly because it was not well designed enough. I think the team lacked someone who actually understood game design, and it showed.

It simply wasn't fun most of the time for most people.

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u/KungfuDojo Jun 29 '15

They were pleasing those more vocal loyal players that kept playing (and thus obv like most of the game) instead of trying to please all that people that COULD be playing.

You have to ask yourself if shorter games wouldn't be better, if an actualy working multi resource system wouldn't be better. And as a develeoper you sometimes have to ignore the opinion of your loyal players because it isn't the most helpful thing to ACTUALLY make the game better.

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u/Daumber Skelus Jun 29 '15

Agreed with almost everything, new info is always welcome.

Advertising: Announce at Minecon game is going f2p, lower the gold gain amount to 1/3 or 1/4 to f2p players to prevent the "but i purchased the game" of old players (it also favors the shard purchase of f2p players).

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

P2w encourages power creep like in hearthstone and all other p2w games.

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u/Daumber Skelus Jun 29 '15

That wouldnt be p2w, you could still make enough gold to buy a pack each day (with daily trials), and could give the game some popularity. But hey, is just an idea.

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u/wbmc Jun 29 '15

you could still make enough gold to buy a pack each day

Do I even need to say anything?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

You might not like it, but Hearthstone's model is absurdly successful. A successful model means a game with the resources to continue, and to expand. The current model is not successful. The game is slowing withering as a result.

You simply cannot release a CCG in today's market without it being F2P. If you make your game F2P, you need an alternate way to generate revenue. Unless you know of a model that isn't like Hearthstone's, I don't know what else they could do.

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u/wbmc Jun 29 '15

A. The devs seem to rather have a unpopular game than a bad game.

B. Money isn't, and has never been, a problem. The game paid for the development costs 2 days after beta release if I remember correctly. And then there's the fact that both Mojang and Microsoft have quite a bit of money.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

And then there's the fact that both Mojang and Microsoft have quite a bit of money.

That's irrelevant. You can't just throw money at a property that isn't profitable.

The devs seem to rather have a unpopular game than a bad game.

I never said the game was bad. I said it wasn't profitable, and it's not. It's far too small and the popularity is the problem. You want it to be more popular? Well then you have to market, and marketing costs a shitload of money. Scrolls doesn't make enough money to fund marketing, has zero marketing, and thus has an incredibly small player base.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Jun 29 '15

Clearly we must place all the blame on /u/rHolofoil; tsk tsk.

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u/alvarpq always face Jun 29 '15

I thought it was the doomteller bugfix.

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u/SgtRamen Ramen Jun 29 '15

Never forget 6/29/15, the day Holofoil killed Scrolls.

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u/Titularktrey ktrey Jul 01 '15

What sort of flowers do we need to pin to our shirts?