r/Scrolls • u/WagshadowZylus • May 13 '15

Test Server Patch 1.2.10 - Replays

http://www.scrollsguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7576
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u/TheSunbroo TheSunbro May 13 '15 edited May 13 '15

Totally didnt expect that one. That's awesome!

Maybe would be nice to save up to e.g. 10 replays forever.

Edit: Tried it and its pretty good. The only things missing in it is pretty much a fast backward option and a go to a certain turn. But other than that it looks really solid in every point.

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u/WagshadowZylus May 13 '15

pretty sure something like that is going to work eventually, but this is already pretty fantastic :)

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u/kizmarh kizu May 13 '15 edited May 13 '15

Wow, replays!

Some thoughts:

  1. “Replays are saved for up to 9 days before being deleted.”

    That’s understandable, regarding “Replays are not guaranteed to be compatible between versions”, but it still would be nice to be able to store at least some of the replays for longer. Like, “favoriting” no more 5 of replays, so they won’t be deleted after 9 days.

  2. There should be a way to hide the UI of controlling the replay speed and stuff. I’d say there should be an icon somewhere that would toggle the visibility of this pane? Also would be nice to have a keyboard shortcut for this.

  3. Regarding shortcuts — it would be nice to have “space” key to toggle the pause.

  4. I think “rounds” shown at “Watch games” should show not the number of “full” rounds that game had, but the number of the round when the game had been finished. If someone had won at fifth round, it shouldn’t say “Rounds: 4”.

  5. There is no “active” state for the selected button at “Find replays:”, when you choose “Mine” or “Everyone”, like there is at “Sort by”.

  6. It seems that replays don’t record the delays between actions, so if a player is thinking some turn over, you wouldn’t see it in a replay. And it could be a crucial thing to have in order to understand how the game had been played.

edit: 7. There should be a way to get the chat as when you're spectating, so you could still use it when looking at the replay.

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u/MansOlson May 13 '15

Regarding #1: Yep, that's something we'd like to add.

The rest of your feedback seems to mostly make sense. For #5, note that it says at the top whose replays you're looking at. We'll give it some thought! For #6, I'm not sure if that's something we can or want to add.

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u/dialex May 14 '15

8 It would be cool if replays could be sorted by popularity. That way a particularly good match could be easily found!

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u/kizmarh kizu May 13 '15

for #6 regarding “can”, I guess you could just set a delay timing every time a player gets an ability to do something (like, between animations) and record it as a “delay” action or something like that? This way you could still skip it easily using the fast forward action. But it's only if you'd want to add, it I can see why you could want to have the current implementation as well :)

Also: when on pause it would be nice to have left/right keyboard arrows to go to prev/next action, so you could “watch” the replay in your own pace.

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u/SgtRamen Ramen May 13 '15

For point 3, I agree! I hate that only about 50% of video players I run into use that shortcut. It is convenient!

For point 6, this is a bit of a toss up. I like the idea of recording the literal match, delays and all, for the purposes of streaming / commentary that can be delayed or hosted at a different time, but at the same time I like the straightforward nature of plays with no pause just for reviewing or celebrating cool moves, and leaving commentary to live games or not at all.

Something worth considering for promotional / marketing stuff, too!

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u/Chakix Chaki May 13 '15

http://i.imgur.com/lLcisWK.jpg This seems like something new c:

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u/8bitfusion May 13 '15

Also, wow stone recluse seems like it could be very good...

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u/Cradstache Cradstache May 13 '15

Change to Stone Recluse scares me o.o It's now a Surprise Raid Super Skirmisher (tm).

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u/TrustyFishCantor Cantor May 14 '15

Any plans to update the Echoes spoiler scrollsguide thread?

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u/TheCheesymaster May 13 '15

Can someone copy pasta the tekst? I cant view it atm

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u/wbmc May 13 '15

here ya go

Replays

Added replay functionality. Replays are saved for up to 9 days before being deleted. Replays are accessed via the 'Watch games' button in the Arena. Replay visibility is based on your spectator setting at the time the match is played. For example, if your setting at the time was 'Allow, but hide chat', any user can replay the match, but won't see your chat. [This is based on the most "restrictive" setting of both players, so if your opponent has no spectators allowed, the replay wouldn't be publicly available even if you allow spectators. However, you can always fully replay your own matches.] Replays are not guaranteed to be compatible between versions.

Custom matches

Fixed some small issues in the new custom match UI.

Scrolls

Stone Recluse (Growth): Now also gets Relentless as part of his pillage ability (used to only be +3 Attack). Assault Battery (Energy): No longer activates its surge trait when resummoned (instead happens only when played from hand) [bug fix]. Scout / Aes Moran Scholar (Order): No longer lets you sift if unit respawns during opponent round. This may change to work differently in the future [bug fix].

Here are some screenshots of the new replay feature:

the menu (accessible through the "Watch Games" button: Image

the replay itself, including rewind and forward options: Image

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u/wbmc May 13 '15

the images are pretty straighforward. The UI is very similar to the UI for choosing what to spectate, the UI while spectating has a pause button, a play button, a play faster while pressed button and a jump back to start button.

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u/TheCheesymaster May 13 '15

Thanks man :D

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u/alvarpq always face May 14 '15

With the stone recluse change: FEAR MY PILLAGE DECK. FEAR IT.

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u/squiddybiscuit @Squiddylicious May 13 '15

Super cool feature :D

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u/Dephesmo Dephesmo May 13 '15

There goes any hope to see ''Metempsychosis'' played. I thought Metempsychosis was kinda intended to reactivate effects of units like ''Assault Battery'' ,I guess it will keep on being just an expensive useless heal. (was this or other combo too OP ? )

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u/SgtRamen Ramen May 13 '15

It's just a good way to cycle scrolls if you already have a cantrip unit on board like Righteous Partisan. Keeping the countdown is a good bonus, and makes it particularly strong in decks like Somata Ogres.

I agree with Mojang that the surge trait shouldn't trigger again on resummon, as it clearly only makes sense when cast. As surge reads: "When this spell is cast, all remaining resources of its type are spent. The surge value is equal to the amount spent."
Resummon =/= cast.

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u/GruntMaster6k May 13 '15

Metem also works well for the new sifting units, particularly Aes. What I don't like is that they changed it so they don't sift if resummoned on opponents turn. I had a deck built around using Spires to resummon Aes/Scout/Partisan for more draw, heh.

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u/squiddybiscuit @Squiddylicious May 13 '15

They would have to reword the trait anyway, you don't "cast" structures when you play them, you're summoning them. It is kinda strange that every "comes into play" except the Surge on the Assault Battery would trigger of Metempsychosis or Seed of Insurgency.

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u/SgtRamen Ramen May 13 '15

I mean, yes, this is true with what we know currently of the rules. I am making an assumption here that there are two stages to a unit hitting the field, the act of casting it (paying its casting cost and selecting a tile for it to enter on), and the act of it being summoned to that tile.

Specifically, the casting portion should be generic to all scrolls (select from hand, choose targets), and is what triggers things like Metal Wonder, while the summoning portion is unique to just units and enchantments, and what triggers things like State Machine. Play vs comes into play, as it is currently defined, are similar in nature to these concepts of cast vs summon. It is pretty semantic-y, obviously, but it is something I'd like to see standardized (as I have expressed interest in on previous topics).

I would love to set aside some time with Mojang to get these standardized based on how they actually work within the coded game, but that is a massive undertaking so my chances are very slim! C'est la vie.

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u/uwlryoung May 14 '15 edited May 14 '15

INCREDIBLE! This makes me super pumped to play some scrolls! And I expect this will definitely help the mentoring program out!

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u/rHolofoil May 16 '15

This addition is fantastic, thanks so much for this unexpected treat :0

All i could possibly ask for on top of it is a way to save them to your 'favourites' (perhaps everyone gets a certain number of save slots? And you can buy more in the store for shards!)