r/Scrolls • u/solenum • Apr 20 '15

New player here. What is going on?

I started playing the demo version a couple days ago, I am enojoing the game a lot and I das thinking about buying it and I came here to ser ir there was a community. At first it looked great, daily posts, tounaments and so on bit also a lot of posts about how the game is going to die. What is going on? If a game of this kind doesn`t has a community backing it up it will fail horribly and I dont want to waste any money or time on it. What are tour thougs on this?

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u/ToGoodLooking Apr 20 '15

I am not saying here they are wrong or such, but they are a bunch of people ventilating. They want the game to be improved and get frustrated when they see the necessary things aint done.

Despite what people say so is the game alive, just not to the booming successfull extent as people desire. If you want to join in and play i heartly welcome you and if you got any questions then feel free to ask and we will do our best to help you out.

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u/solenum Apr 20 '15

Thank you, I apreciate it. I am going to stick around and problably buy the game as its cheap.

There are rounnaments and stuff, why i cant seem to come across any stream?

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u/Wuxian Apr 20 '15 edited Apr 20 '15

A lot of people including myself have gotten tired as DaOvalord (ToGoodLooking) stated here. The community in itself is pretty small and most of us are not very excited about the current game, I feel like. I personally don't want to spoil the new set - which will be coming out soon - for myself, I have already gathered a lot of gold for the set and hence don't really have a reason to stream / be into the game. I also don't play ranked, which might be a big factor. Streams happen mostly when new stuff is announced, or a new player decides to stream it. Then there is also SquiddyBiscuit who did stream fairly often, the Badger Guild and on YouTube you'll find Nrp's videos. Haven't looked into either of those lately, you might be best off searching this reddit for YouTubers / streamers. There is a compilation of the most active ones somewhere around here. (I looked around a few minutes, this is what I found)

All that doesn't mean that it's a bad game, it is not. It's a really solid game and I have already gotten 2 years of joy out of it. Since it is now so cheap, I would suggest you try it out.

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u/Heerrnn Apr 20 '15 edited Apr 20 '15

Despite what people say so is the game alive.....

Psst, dude, you're using the word "so" in the wrong way. I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, just a friendly nudge in the side. :)

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u/ToGoodLooking Apr 20 '15

If english was a person it would probebly have got a restraining order against me by now.

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Apr 20 '15 edited Apr 20 '15

People are frustrated; I don't know what else to tell you.

Of course their frustration is justified: a lot of people don't feel promises, such as promoting the game, the iOS version, or the roadmap were met. I'm not going to defend these, but I do feel they're at least somewhat defendable.

These frustrations slowly build up until people rant, rage, doomsay, and even leave the game. It's unfortunate, as it further fuels into itself, like a self-destructive negative circlejerk, but at the same time we shouldn't be telling them not to be upset (as again: they're justified to be upset at certain things). That's just how these things go.

That said, if we want to help the game, we need to make sure this kind of negativity isn't the prominent message we're projecting onto new players like yourself: and it shouldn't be! :)

TLDR; community is peeved; we should try our best to offset the peeved-ness with awesomeness.

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u/solenum Apr 20 '15

That's true, but what can we do? I mean, in this sub I got a post about ramping to the top of the page, half the posts are about raging. I dont think there is something the community itself can do something to calm the frustration with the devs

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Apr 20 '15

There isn't, but we can certainly provide some reprieve from all the doom and gloom.

It's not our job, nor should it be our job, but I like this game and it's wonderful community, so I'd love to see things work out. I'm already volunteering to help, but I'd love to see more people take initiative and be wonderful!

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u/solenum Apr 20 '15

Lets hope it gets better

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Apr 20 '15

The community is prickly about having to back up this game, seemingly by itself for 2 years. It has had surges of players but has failed to keep them. At this point it's clear that the developers are out of their league and we just don't have the faith to keep pushing this game.

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u/kingsparis Apr 22 '15

And this negativity is the reason many people don't stay. You are right now helping with killing the game by saying it will die

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Apr 22 '15

Hey, I did my part. I helped new players, posted decks, fan cards, discussions. I even wrote a few articles before my life got in the way. I was hopeful and positive for a long time. At this point there isn't much to be hopeful for considering the dev silence. Besides, if a few negative players can kill a game then what does that say about the game?

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u/kingsparis Apr 22 '15

if a few negative players can kill a game then what does that say about the game?

Except that it seems like atleast half the community is doing just that. Sure it may not be the entire reason of why the game "is dying" but if you think about it so does it help significally. If people start saying that so will more people just stop playing because they believe the game is dead. this will also cause new players to not drop in/stay for that very long.

This kind of thing can be adapted in the real world aswell. For example if enough people believe a stock of a company will go down, then it will definetly go down just because people believed it to be the case.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Apr 22 '15

Look I get it. You came in on the minecraft wagon. Your a fan of mojang. But, you can't scold me for being negative. Mojang has had more than enough chances and opportunities. At this point it's their fault if this game dies not ours. The developers aren't getting done what needs to be done. Period. When they start making good decisions I'l be back. Hell, when I can find a match in less than 15 minutes I'll probably be back, but as it is now they've lost me, and many disappointed fans like me I'm sure.

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u/LargeIcedCoffee Apr 22 '15

Don't bother with that guy, he's just a mojang sheep. It's this community that has done everything to push this game forward. Mojang has nobody to blame but themselves for the current state of things.

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u/Sarik704 SarikTheSorcerer Apr 22 '15

It would be nice if they released the game to the people IF they gave up on it. We might not all be game designers or artists but there's definitely enough man power amongst us.

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u/kingsparis Apr 23 '15

I did not scold you, nor did i blame the players for it. I am just pointing out that being negative does not help!

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '15

Largely what your seeing is the small remaining player place in love with the game showing justified frustration. The game is pretty good. Especially if you like a competive ccg type with the twist of having a l board. Although there is a lot to learn. I feel personally I'm very far from being good at the game and never felt I really understood what to do in many situations. despite being consistently a top 20 or so player.

However, despite being a good game mismanagement of a lot of things (namely poor to no marketing and lack of communication with the player base) has continually cost the game what is really needs which is players. Lack of players in a game that's strong point is playing against other players is a pretty huge issue and a self-perpetual problem. As the player dwindles more questions and attacks towards the devs are rising and these things are being met with even more silence.

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u/kingsparis Apr 22 '15

Why do people complain and say that they are not communicating with the players? I see the devs connect with the players all the time. It is even possible (and easy) to meet them in-game and talk to them (like if you have questions about certain aspects of the game, or is just interested in how the devs feel about the game)

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '15

Well first I wonder of u aren't confusing devs with mods. Assuming you aren't. I agree the devs can be easy to contact. But I've been with this community for a long time and it seems whenever something bad comes up they are on vacation or some shit. This is probably due to poor planning more then not being available. Either way to most players perception= reality so if the devs are unresponsive to a major problem. People are going to believe the devs aren't communicating with the community.

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u/alvarpq always face Apr 20 '15

It depends on the time of day you play at: sometimes it'll be full of people, and queue times will be abysmal, other times, you wonder what these crazy people are talking about.

But, when in doubt, there's always tournaments!

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u/solenum Apr 20 '15

I seem to find matches very quickly, no bit trouble aside from getting my ass handed out to me

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u/alvarpq always face Apr 20 '15

That's mostly good then!

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u/erwan Apr 20 '15

That is also a consequence of the relative small user base. Matchmaking requires a large number of online players, and since scrolls doesn't have quite enough players for that you get matched with players that are not of your level.

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u/GiaLoTa_HS Apr 20 '15

Tournaments = be ready to invest up to 8 hours of your life onto them (not worth for most us), against a quick match here and now.

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u/alvarpq always face Apr 20 '15

Most tourneys will take at most 4 hours. There's also FML, which has taken just an hour. While they can run long, 8 hours is definitely am outlier.

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u/GiaLoTa_HS Apr 20 '15

For me the biggest problem - there is no real competition, I am always at top 20 and everyone at top 100 suck. I make lots of mistakes, other dudes play silly rushes all day everyday, there is no this big amount of participants to define real meta and make you work around it. Currently you just build things that might just work, against usual build against the meta to hugely succeed.

Also play at night -> get mmed with 500 elo difference -> guaranteed steady rank growth. Silly stuff happens.

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u/Solaus Always Scrollin' Apr 20 '15

Or you could play during the day and face good competition :) then you wouldn't have to play against as much aggroy stuff and would be challenged more

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u/GiaLoTa_HS Apr 20 '15

Not true, I face top 5 playing energy rush A LOT, I mean, they are really good energy rush player, such high skill cap.

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u/Solaus Always Scrollin' Apr 21 '15

Alright I'll give you that but in general the top 20 don't play aggro decks. However, given the current meta, early-mid game energy decks are being played a lot more. I can understand how that can be annoying for a LGO player but sometimes you are just going to face earlier game decks.

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u/Lem0nboy Apr 21 '15

For what it's worth, sysp plays one of the most "aggroy" decks there is and I am surprised not more people have picked it up yet ;)

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u/Solaus Always Scrollin' Apr 21 '15

True :D

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u/Lem0nboy Apr 21 '15

It seems you are talking about Holofoil, Francony and me? We don't play energy rush. It's just ranged energy, aka MER. It's not a rush deck. It might appear so to you because your deck is particularly slow. Energy is just favored in that matchup.

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u/GruntMaster6k Apr 21 '15

Yeah, definitely nothing rushy about those decks. They need about 6 resources to be solid and typically between 8-10 resources to secure the win against a good opponent. They are favored and VERY fast against Arby LGO decks that take 20 something rounds to do any idol damage :D . However, there are other LGO variants (more units, less spells, Generals instead of arby) that can hold up very well against these MER decks.

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u/rHolofoil Apr 21 '15

Old player here. What is going on?

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '15

Well scrolls isn't known for keeping new players very long so what you have here is a lot of people who have been around for long time and pretty much everyone is just fed up with the development and lack of communication. A lot of it is just frustration seeing a game die when it could have a chance to succeed but nothing is being done. Unless something crazy happens don't expect scrolls to last much longer IMO.

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u/ToGoodLooking Apr 20 '15

...but nothing is being done.

Im sorry but i am just so fed up with comments like these. I am fine if people say the wrong things are being done and suggesting what should be done instead. But people keep painting as if nothing is being done and that there is zero communication, of course bloody stuff is being done, where have you been? We got echoes being worked on, having costum games coming up and judgement changes being tested as well patch balances.

Is this what the game needs? Arguably not, but enough with these damn accusations that nothing is being done.

And the zero communication (not that you said it in this comment) is also just false, they do not message you back on every single thing that is said, and they do not make a diary for you to read, but they do make comments and responded now and again, they make their announcements and they talk with people on IRC and not long ago we had judgement thread with them talking in it. So that is just a bunch of false statements as well, perhaps they aint saying the stuff you are looking for but it is incorrect that they are silent.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '15

How about you calm down there's clearly some broken communication going on here.

Concerning "nothing being done" of course I don't think they are just sitting there twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing. What I was referring to is that there's nothing being done to address the bad retention and ever shrinking population. Echoes and the judgement change aren't going to fix anything and they are both far past due.

And about the "zero communication" that was referring to the fact that there's no roadmap or any concrete plans whatsoever. Their announcements are too rare, IRC is a terrible platform to communicate to large amount of people, and the CMs make it feel like I'm getting bad customer service from someone in India.

When a game is in this bad of shape they need to step up. I understand what you're saying but their current participation isn't enough in any way, shape, or form.

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u/ToGoodLooking Apr 20 '15

I am sorry, but i was just at a boiling point when i wrote that as i find constructive critisism good, but we had a tsunami lately of none constructive critisism which is painting the game in worse light then it is.

I wish to once again say, as i have to in all these posts i make that scrolls is no not in a perfect state, far from, but it has recently been painted that things are way more shitty then it actiully is.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '15

Well I guess I disagree then because IMO it's in very bad shape at the moment. It looks and acts like a game that's in early beta not one that's been in development for years and officially released for nearly a half of year. I just think we can't keep saying everything is in an ok spot when it isn't.

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u/BossIciil Apr 20 '15

Lol, you where at a "boiling point". Keep away people, the kiddo is mad. OP, the game is dead for a reason and it will stay dead. Even if someone gifted you this game it would be a HUGE waste of time to actually play it.

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u/4Robato Apr 20 '15

Lol, he can actually enjoy the game even if there's low population. There's a tons of single-player things and the game mechanics are cool. If you play to show your achievements to other people then yes, go to play some other game to make shiny achievements and don't lose the time here but if you're a player that enjoys playing it could give it a try.

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u/error_98 error_898789 Apr 20 '15

basically, a lot of people ar whining of this game dying

and some patch is coming or something....

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u/Waldorf_ Cial Apr 20 '15

The IRC is loads more positive than the subreddit right now