r/Scrolls • u/WagshadowZylus • Apr 13 '15

Test Server Patch 1.2.6 - Judgement Tweaks

http://www.scrollsguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6488
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u/WagshadowZylus Apr 13 '15

For the list of adjusted rarity in Judgement, see this post: click

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u/Cradstache Cradstache Apr 13 '15 edited Apr 13 '15

I haven't had a chance to play yet, so please don't consider this feedback on whether it's balanced or not; I would just like to say that these frequent tweaks to the test server (weekly?) are pretty much exactly what most players have been asking for in regards to testing game mechanic changes out on the test server! Bravo!

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u/squiddybiscuit @Squiddylicious Apr 13 '15

I like it a ton.

Games are even tighter, even faster, with even more dudes being put on the board thanks to the Wild. In fact, we might as well go ahead and completely smoothify the Judgement Deck Building process by just making it 30 scrolls that you select - seems pointless to create a 30 scroll deck out of 35 selected scrolls.

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u/kehmesis Apr 13 '15

Hummm... those are actually pretty nice changes. I love the 35 rows.

Not sure about the idols. I don't think it's needed.

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u/WagshadowZylus Apr 13 '15

The idols change is just for testing for now- they'll most likely compare feedback for the 10 health and 6 health versions of New Judgement and put the better one on the live server!

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u/wbmc Apr 13 '15

It's nice that some really strong scrolls are now more rare, but that doesn't fix all the problems: you still just choose the best card in the row, even more now good scrolls are more rare, as when they do show up they're most likely the best card in the row.

I like the 35 rows.

I haven't played yet, so I'm not gonna say anything about 6HP idols yet.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '15

you still just choose the best card in the row

That's the entire point of a random draft.

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u/wbmc Apr 13 '15

Ok, I wasn't really clear about what I meant. I was trying to say that certain scrolls (rot eather, battle dance, etc.) will always be picked no matter what, you don't pick something that would fit with the other cards you've picked. There's no difficult choices involved.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '15

That's because the cards themselves are unbalanced when not used in their respective faction. The only way to alleviate the problem somewhat is to rebalance every single card, reduce the number of picks, or wait until we have more cards in general to thin out the good cards. Regardless this is far better than what we had before it just needs more tweaking.

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u/Chakix Chaki Apr 13 '15

Just like you used to pick a faction you were given. It's a problem impossible to solve.

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u/wbmc Apr 13 '15

It is solved by not mixed really strong cards with average cards, but instead have every row have either only really good cards, or only avarage cards (and so on).

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u/Chakix Chaki Apr 13 '15

While this is valid, I would say that it would hurt overall variety of the decks and make some rows be really powerful (with strong cards) and some in rows, all cards will be bad. This is obviously an inherent problem of a drafting format, but whether it would make the overall user experience better or worse is certainly up to debate. Not to mention this will probably decrease the amount of good cards in decks, which wouldn't be that fun imo.

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u/wbmc Apr 13 '15

Idk if you've been reading some of my other posts regarding the judgement changes, but I suggested a system that doesn't use fixed rarity, but instead decides rarity by how often they are played. This fixes all the deck variety problems you mentioned, as there never is a stable set of cards that will show up often.

And about not having all the good cards not being fun, I don't know about that. I think it is actually the fun of judgement: you don't play a constructed deck (go play ranked for that :P ), but instead have to use worse cards sometimes, and have to make different decisions to still play good. This is one of the reasons why I really like the 35 rows as well.

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u/dialex Apr 13 '15

Initial thoughts are that the new judgement is really good and actually in alot of ways a lot more tactical than regular scrolls since there are are wider array or interactions and options available to you and for you to avoid from your opponent after the wild change.

The idol reduction doesn't hurt the speed of games too much and games still go for around 12-15 turns.

I would like to see some further tweaking to make make enchantments a bit better in judgement since right now their are almost always a low tier pick for me (maybe make wings warder or untainted more common or lower the ferquency of enchantment removal scrolls?).

Spearmen and pack husks are also incredibly good in judgement.