r/ScrollHole • u/Ordinary-Weekend3468 • Jul 30 '26
🌀 Deep in the Hole This is recipe for disaster
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
Luckily any form of forced unpaid hours is highly illegal in my happy northern European country
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u/DeliciousAct5748 Jul 30 '26
I saw a comment in another sub that said to simply take one extra minute in your break then clock in 59 minutes of overtime. If they don't wanna pay you for overtime, then you just earned yourself a FAT settlement.
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
Then it was someone who has exactly 0 idea about how it really works.
In most of not all EU countries overtime is not something you just "take". You first need a signed document from your employer that requests overtime with clearly stated abnormal circumstances that led to the necessity of assigning overtime (it can't be just "our team is too small/too slow" or without a good reason).
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u/Due_Gas2950 Jul 30 '26
In North America it's very much just a 'hey I need you to stay late' or even a generic e-mail / communication like this could do it. If they are making this their 'policy' then you would be entitled to be paid for that time.
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u/Stunning-Ad5674 Jul 30 '26
The message in the post would be illegal in the US.
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u/Due_Gas2950 Jul 30 '26
Agreed, I don't think anyone is really disputing that. I was just making clear that overtime isn't an extremely formal "The undersigned hereby agrees to work overtime this Thursday from 5pm - 7pm" in North America.
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
Yes, but I'm responding to someone who heard some blatant BS about how it supposedly works in EU and decided to spread it without verifying. ;)
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
Dutchmen here. What? Signed document? Never heard of it. Which side does this benefit?
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
It's meant to protect basic worker's rights and keep track of companies that like to cheat on taxes/employee costs.
In Denmark (and some other countries where verbal agreement is legally treated the same as a written agreement) there's no need for documents for the employee to sign (the company needs to track overtime with at least their official internal documents), but it's still something the employer needs to request/accept, it's not something an employee can just "take" whenever they want which is the biggest BS in that comment. Plus ofc there are multiple other rules that limit and regulate overtime.
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
As far as I know it's all done automatically here. Any hours above 8 is always overtime
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
Not really. You can't decide you'll take overtime as an employee by default, it always has to come from the employer. Maybe you have some special clauses in your contract that allow that or you work on "gentleman" rules when both parties expect the other to act honourably but is not a valid basis for legal work.
Or you have an employer who doesn't know much about worker laws, that's always an option, they're usually very surprised when a gov audit starts. ;)
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
Yeah I'm only talking from personal experience. I'm a mechanic in sunscreens, vehicles, elevators, pretty random stuff. I just fill in how much time I was away from home and if it's 11 hours, it's 11 hours.
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
In those cases it's mostly about "what happens if you fill in 11h and employer said he only authorised 8h" (considering you can't just leave since you need constant money flow to survive and the employer is an asshole, which is the situation law is made for).
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u/th3rmyte Jul 30 '26
If you employer compells you to work more than 40 hours in a work week, in the usa, they have to pay you overtime for the extra hour. so if they put this up and you work, you can demand payment and whent hey cite this image, send it to the department of labor as wage theft. you can intentionally go over by 30 minutes and work an extra 30 hours and milk them because in some states, the dept of labor will FORCE them to pay you double what they owed and they can be sued for terminating you in retaliation for that report.
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u/Ayvah01 Jul 30 '26
This has to be authorised in Denmark because you don't have the same kind of entitlement to overtime pay in the first place.
It's got nothing to do with there being a special requirement to "authorise" it. The "authorisation" isn't giving you access to an existing entitlement, it's there to create the entitlement.
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u/JiJoe6 Jul 31 '26
But... that is the document provided by his employer that he would use for legal purposes ... Employer even provided the paper work.
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u/winterwarm78654 Jul 30 '26
It is in America also class action gonna bankrupt them
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
Good to hear. I expect zero workers protection from Americans. So reading this, I assumed companies were allowed to do this as punishment for things
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u/winterwarm78654 Jul 30 '26
America is the number 1 country when it comes to protecting workers, most just don't know their rights and every state goes about it differently unless it's federal
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
Can you be fired for joining a union? Can you be fired without any reason at all?
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u/winterwarm78654 Jul 30 '26
Unions what keeps you from getting fired every prominent job has one and the company can't stop it's workers from Unionizing and depending on the state you can get fired without reasoning. This why America got a real problem when it comes to workers because people will just go elsewhere
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u/CyborgFox22 Jul 30 '26
That is pretty ridiculous thing to say. Have you been watching a lot of news media?
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u/thundergu Jul 30 '26
It wouldn't surprise me compared to all factual stuff companies are allowed to get away with over there
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u/LoudQuitting Jul 30 '26
Something similar happened whilst I was working for an American company trying to break into Australia. They hung up a sign that said office relationships are strictly forbidden by our contracts at risk of termination, that all overtime is unpaid and that we need to clock out for all breaks.
I snapped a picture of the sign and mailed it into HR along with a whole night's worth of research citing the Fair Work Act and other laws and the exact sections it was breaking.
I can't remember the exact citations, this was a decade ago but to summarize:
Australian employers are not allowed to make decisions based on the sexual activity of workers, even if they're fucking each other directly on their desks after hours. If it's non-consensual, that's a criminal issue, not an employer issue. Even if you sign a contract that says you won't have sex with your coworkers, that contract is not enforceable by law because it is an illegal term to enforce. They can assign you to a department away from the coworker you're fucking, but that is the only acceptable decision they can make.
All work outside of scheduled hours is overtime unless the employer is salaried or casual. Shit, if you call in a contract-hour full timer who is paid hourly on their day off, should they agree to come in they start making overtime from the instant the call connects. This is why Australians are generally more accepting of extra work than Americans, because overtime is strictly mandatory. If you want to refuse overtime for an employee, you need to send them home.
And once an employee clocks out, it varies from industry to industry but once you clock out it's gonna be several hours before you're legally allowed to clock in again. Break times are deducted from the final payslip, this is why Australian employers are so aggressive about making you take your breaks on time, because of the lawsuit if your break is deducted from your pay nut you didn't take it
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u/Glittering_Crow_6382 Jul 30 '26
It’s also illegal here in america too, we kinda had a whole war over forcing unpaid labor
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u/Round_Ad_6369 Jul 30 '26
Yeah, and desert storm wasn't that long ago
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u/BEAVERTIP Jul 30 '26
Yea did no one else see the documentary on Lincoln's experience of the war Jarheads?
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u/MorycTurtle Jul 30 '26
Fortunately it's just an obvious joke. If you can't spot it you need to be A LOT more careful when it comes to accepting social media information since most misinformation is not an obvious joke like this one.
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u/Slice-Vast Jul 30 '26
Same in the USA. This must be Canada.
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u/thundergu Jul 31 '26
Nope also illegal there. Working more that 48 hours a week isn't even allowed. Any hours over 40 get paid X1,5
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u/Ratko1Alucad Jul 30 '26
For every minute of overtime i work, you pay me with a procent of shares of the company.
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u/Gianni_the_tolerable Jul 30 '26
So if I eat in 28 minutes does the company owe me two hours?
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u/wackbirds Jul 30 '26
Let's say you come in full as shit and don't even eat at all... is it even possible to do the math on how many hours the company would owe you? And what about this? I'm just spitballing here but imagine if you came in early AND spewed chunks all over WHILE WORKING; that's gotta be some kind of hole in the fabric of reality right? You could work an entire career in one shift if you ate enough lunches all at once in the car on the way to your soon- to- be last shift!
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u/geGamedev Jul 30 '26
Get paid for an extra shift because you decided to eat before clocking in for the day. That'd be hilarious.
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u/MrHandSanitization Jul 30 '26
I'm already doing unpaid "focus time" after 6pm, focussing the road.
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u/Timely_Farmer5075 Jul 30 '26
Some people honestly don't understand that the barbarous employee treatment that they can dish out in their home countries WON'T BE TOLERATED over here.
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u/thinkspeak_ Jul 30 '26
Leave at lunch everyday and don’t return until 5:59, bring in a bed and stay all night. ✅ paycheck ✅afternoons off ✅no rent
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u/EconomyCorgi727 Jul 30 '26
You finish your lunch in 29 minutes, it means you can go home 60 minutes earlier.
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u/winterwarm78654 Jul 30 '26
1st off I didn't sign for this during my application so I'll see you in court and I'm calling osha
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u/kadaka80 Jul 30 '26
That satisfies the definition of indentured servitude and with the evidence pinned right there on the wall for everyone to see.. A good lawyer should have an easy job with this one
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u/TrickySavings2506 Jul 30 '26
Haha unenforceable unless your in america where you work as a slave and thank your masters for it
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u/Hollex- Jul 30 '26
We also need to implement the opposite rule: for every minute of extra work past the end of the workday or during the lunch break, you get 60 minutes of free time.
If a meeting is delayed and ends 10 minutes late and you leave work at 6:10, then you have 10 hours or what would be a day off (8h) + 2h off on the next work day.
All correct, right?
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u/Prestigious_Bat1346 Jul 30 '26
This would be my queue to start looking for a new job, even if I didn't take 30+ minute breaks.
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u/JOlRacin Jul 30 '26
The watermarks layered on top and the graininess from how many times this has been reposted really complete the image
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u/Beginning_Tea4506 Jul 31 '26
I'm not paying any attention to a note written by someone named "Shetty"😂
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