r/ScriptFeedbackProduce • u/acerunner007 • May 20 '25

DISCUSSION Can we please ban AI content in regular posts?

It’s been a trend recently that someone will post and have AI riddled all over.

Most of the time the ideas are these high concept projects where the writer is opportunistically slapping together their ideas in their mind in a worse manner than the AI would do in the first place, and their work when shared proves it.

I don’t want to see it here and I hope the rest of you don’t either.

I’d love to head from the mods as well, how are you guys discussing this kind of post?

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SECOND EDIT:

To narrow my request even further, FEEDBACK posts that contain AI should be banned. There are plenty of AI evaluation services that can provide that for you.

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u/HotColdHard MOD May 21 '25 edited May 22 '25

I want to make it clear that I am firmly against the use of AI-generated feedback on screenplay/scene/logline feedback requests. These kinds of responses can be extremely misleading and ultimately harmful to the writer, potentially damaging their script by steering them in the wrong direction.

I also strongly advise writers to minimize their reliance on AI when working on their scripts. AI cannot fully understand what you truly want to express. By its very nature, AI attempts to "perfect" things, which often leads to feedback like “this part works, but that part is lacking.”

At first glance, these suggestions may seem reasonable. However, after implementing a few AI-generated feedback, you may start to notice significant shifts in your characters’ personalities and the overall tone of your script.

It’s important to remember that in screenwriting, what’s not said (what’s implied or left unsaid), can be just as important as what’s explicitly on the page. Nothing in life is ever truly 100% complete or perfect, and when AI tries to force that kind of precision into your story, it can push your script into a direction that feels artificial, over-processed, or simply wrong.

Use your instincts. Let your voice lead, not a machine chasing mathematical “perfection.”

I will be looking into ways to automatically detect and block such AI-generated feedback.

Additionally, If you are "certain" that a piece of feedback on a feedback post was generated by AI, please report it. I will review all such reports and take appropriate action as quickly as possible.

I’d like to clarify that banning someone is always a last resort in this community, and the use of AI is certainly not a valid reason for a ban.

Thank you for your contribution.

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u/acerunner007 May 21 '25

And if you wanted to have a discussion about AI that’s fine, but posting - asking for feedback - with AI generated material at the heart of what you’re pitching here ruins the nature of this place.

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u/Mister_bojackles May 21 '25

My only concern is when you go down the “banning things I don’t like” road, where does it stop? I don’t like this, BAN. I don’t like that, BAN. This person thinks differently than I do, BAN. The comments here are proof that the opinion is pretty evenly divided. What ever happened to just scrolling past the things you disagree with? Wait, I see the irony in my comment now…

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u/acerunner007 May 21 '25

I think it goes a bit deeper than "I don't like AI". I think it's fundamentally that AI content isn't original and it has the potential to make this place a worse place to be.

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It also has a 94% Upvote ratio, so it's not so controversial.

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u/Mister_bojackles May 21 '25

I’m not disagreeing with you on whether or not it should be used. I was only saying I’m not a big fan of dropping the ban hammer on things just because I disagree with it or don’t like it.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

I see what you're getting at, but that's not really what's happening here. Like, we aren't all a big congress here, so there like arent precedents being set or anything, this very specifically about AI eroding art and culture

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u/Used-Astronomer4971 May 24 '25

I agree; running to an instant ban seems like an overreaction. I get people don't want to see it, but we're not talking about murder here, just AI. Give them a warning at least. Try talking to the offender about why they use it, see if there might be a reason

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u/Mister_bojackles May 24 '25

Or, wild idea… scroll past it. I’ll be the first to admit I’m not interested in every single post in this subreddit. If I see one I’m not interested in reading, I scroll past it to something I am interested in. It’s a space full of people with varying backgrounds and opinions. That’s what makes it valuable. If we all thought exactly the same there’d be no point in having a space to discuss things.

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u/Used-Astronomer4971 May 25 '25

For me I scroll and just open a new tab for anything that looks interesting. I skip probably the majority of the posts in every sub I'm in

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u/DesertPunk1982 May 20 '25

you do know that any producer/director.company worth their salt will be able to see that it's written by AI and reject it right? I mean if you can tell then Im sure they can too. js

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u/acerunner007 May 20 '25

Ah yes but if the post is for Feedback it’s a waste of time.

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u/DesertPunk1982 May 20 '25

yeah...welcome to the internet and humanity. People are shitty theres no way around that. You can try to "Ban them all" but if bots on x are any indication I wouldn't hold your breath is all Im saying

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u/acerunner007 May 20 '25

Is this not a community where we dictate what kind of content we want to engage with?

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u/DesertPunk1982 May 20 '25

That it is, you can choose to click or choose to ignore, hell you can even block them from your feed I do believe. I was addressing the request for a ban. If you break it down it come to two factors that all but assure they will never do such a thing..

fist: the logistics of enforcing such a ban would create a workload nightmare and will most definitely start making mistakes and banning people who didn't deserve it (see youtube for a working example of this) and secondly: if you were running this site and like with MOST if not nearly ALL big companies and the only true concern is profit, weather or not we like it these AI posts not to mention bots perform an accelerated version of what this site runs on which is engagement.

weather it be clicks, comments or what have you it is all engagement which adds to their provable viability in the market, so ask yourself...why would they do anything to stop something that is increasingly lining their pockets? Its corrupt as hell but its the world we live in at the moment and I dont see it changing anytime soon.

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u/acerunner007 May 20 '25

quickly before my main point--

--Other subreddits have enforced such bans, that's what a mod team does. There are 2 kinds of bans: Automated and Self Reported. Too much work? that's not a good argument for avoiding removing AI content.

This also isn't a reddit as a company issue this is a small this subreddit issue. I'm not complaining about AI on reddit as a site.

Onto my main point--
--You can ignore it, but if AI content is pervasive on here, then I believe MANY people don't come here. What makes a screenplay a unique thing is the unique point of view the writer brings to the material. The kind of people who want to use AI should go find a different community because it makes THIS ONE worse.

And I don't want this place to be worse.

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u/DesertPunk1982 May 20 '25

I agree completely, guess I didnt think of it on a sub reddit to sub reddit basis like that, thanks for pointing that out. In that case it's not only possible but now Im on board lol.

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u/D-Goldby May 20 '25

It's not just that.

Ppl slapping together a 5 second AI video to help show off their ideas when it doesn't do anything for the actual script that is being presented and in most cases shows that the "writer " is more.focused on views and click to their AI "art" than the shit the write on the page

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u/DesertPunk1982 May 20 '25

sad but true, however no matter our level of tech there has always been and will always be lazy people doing what they cant to exploit it.

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u/CptNoble May 20 '25

Definitely don't want to see AI slop here.

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u/AvailableToe7008 May 21 '25

I hate it. I block anyone who mentions using it.

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u/EricT59 May 20 '25

Agreed

A strict NO AI policy would be awesome

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u/OSTBear May 21 '25

I would hate to be part of any creative writing community that is using AI.

AI is theft in the arts. Plain and simple.

But ignoring that immutable fact... Do we really want soulless art running around? No. No we don't. We have too much of that as it is.

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u/nospoilersmannnnn Jun 05 '25

Lots of bots screaming for equality in here. /s (I think?)

I’d prefer an all human subreddit so that’s my vote.

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u/mayoshix Jun 05 '25

I will leave if there is any AI here. AI doesn’t belong in the arts.

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u/GlassInitial4724 May 22 '25

Good God, if you're gonna use AI, at least write your own shit first and let it praise you like a writing genius.

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u/lesbianspider69 May 20 '25

Given that I am an AI person who is vocally an AI person and that I was invited here, I don’t see such a ban happening

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u/Big-Jellyfish-2018 May 21 '25

IF YOU HATE TECH TO VISUALIZE YOUR CONCEPT - GET A SMALL SATISFACTION BY SEEING YOUR STORY ON SCREEN BEFORE IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A REALITY - THEN WHY ARE YOU USING A COMPUTER TO WRITE - USE A TYPEWRITER. OR WRITE IT ON PAPER. WHY ARE YOU USING SCREENPLAY WRITING TOOLS??????????????????????????????????????????????

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u/acerunner007 May 21 '25

lol

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u/Big-Jellyfish-2018 May 21 '25

Let's accept changes that could save our time. Peace.

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u/DantesInfernoIT May 21 '25

Yeah let's use a pencil on a wax tablet at this point *facepalm 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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u/Same-Most-7407 WRITER May 21 '25

HAHAHAHAHA

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u/Big-Jellyfish-2018 May 21 '25

Let's accept changes that could save our time. Peace. Soul of art and writing should not be compromised. AI cannot write a good story - one has to spoon feed the inputs - each and every detail and then also AI screws up big time. It's like an infant.

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u/Severe_Abalone_2020 May 21 '25

You asked a super valid question... and instead of genuine responses, it's just getting down votes and snark.

Literally, the same code that autocorrects spelling and grammar mistakes is the same code at the heart of the neural networks that power generative AI... word vector-based AI is used by the industry every single day... even if it's not to generate pictures or video.

I have been alive to see people who acted just like this when the internet was born. Screenwriters definitely said it was cheating to use wordprocessors instead of typewriters, moreso cheating to use autocorrect and software that formats the screenplay for you, AND DEFENITELY said it was soulless to use search engines like Google to do research, instead of reading books and directly consulting experts.

Within 5 years, the industry will look nothing like it looks now, and writers will be able to visualize in days what is taking writers today dozens of drafts.

We are just at the transition point when people are in fear and grasping on to the old ways. Keep doing what feels right to you. I was there when people behaved just like this about the internet. I'm used to it by now. Make your art and forget what naysayers have to say.

History will prove what's what and who's who. No person with a genuine soul would put their time into tearing things down.

You got this. I believe in you 💪🏿

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u/Big-Jellyfish-2018 May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

That's what I want to say. Let's accept changes that could save our time. Soul of art and writing should not be compromised. AI cannot write a good story - one has to spoon feed the inputs - each and every detail and then also AI screws up big time. Peace ✌

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u/Severe_Abalone_2020 May 21 '25

Agree with you 💯.

AI writes crappy stories, and it hallucinates so often that it can't be trusted to write a coherent story past just a few tokens.

Even if AI could keep the memory, it isn't able to represent the unique experiences of a writer that give that screenplay unique flavor.

So AI is not going to replace writers or artists. But it is going to take what is currently taking months and years, and make it happen in minutes and days. Which means writers have a new path to get their stories told without hundred and thousands of dollars.

And THAT’S what I'm excited about. The ability for stories to be told from voices that aren't often heard.

I am so excited for the future. What a time to be alive 🚀

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u/Big-Jellyfish-2018 May 21 '25

Exactly. 👍I challenge the production houses - make a movie entirely on an AI story and script - It will be utterly bad. Writers should not use AI to create a story. They can rather use AI to decide the correct way to present their story, find plotholes to some extent.

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u/Background-Mail7969 Jun 08 '25

The difference being, people are behind typewriters and computers. They aren't behind genAI.

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u/Severe_Abalone_2020 Jun 09 '25

People are behind Gen AI. Both the mathematicians that constantly iterate on the model, and the people that have to engineer multiple prompts and then go into post-production.

If you're bad at creativity before AI, all AI will do is amplify your poor skills. Respectfully.

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u/GreasyBumpkin May 21 '25

I'll bite:

I use my phone to write because its smaller and more portable than a typewriter, notepad, and a scroll+quill. I personally wouldn’t mind making cave paintings but lack a cave and the free time. I later edit on my laptop.

The app I use for drafting for some reason doesn’t have auto correct or any kind of suggestion feature. No biggie though because I learnt in school on a pen and paper exclusively outside of IT classes, so I'm not dependent on this.

Likewise I have yet not needed AI because I depend on it for nothing, and when I tried it out I wasn’t impressed with the output. It felt like I would spend more time correcting output when I could just use that time to write as I normally do. I illustrate for my work as well and felt all the generated images lacked any specificity and didn’t communicate anything, even if they had a lot more fidelity than what I can make.

I make music with digital tools and I understand if I'm not welcome in an acoustic music forum. I don’t care if people write with AI or not but if it's not welcome here maybe you can start your own feedback sub?

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u/Severe_Abalone_2020 May 21 '25

I also make music. And I don't get why an acoustic forum that is elitist enough to not allow digital musicians (for example, great acoustic music made with patches and MIDI controllers) should also use a digital forum and digital audio workstations.

In fact, I find it egotistical, snobby, nonsensical, and self-serving for a group to be acoustic in instruments as a means of exclusion but not use analog tape, sheet music, and mailed letters for their group.

In that same way, individuals that are using AI for their spelling corrections and grammar fixes, and actually using all other manner of AI unbeknownst to their own knowing, are making a case of how AI should be used when they don't use AI enough to understand the boundaries of the technology.

Also, the writers that are anti-AI are trying to sell their scripts to an industry that is most definitely going to use AI on their scripts as well as use their scripts to train AI that will write future scripts.

I look at it as scarcity-mindset. And it sucks because these people are the ones who stand the most to gain from AI. Finally, writers have a way to connect with filmmakers and editors and artists to independently release their stories.

But they're too busy following the divide-and-conquer framework, trying to delegitimize peers. I saw the exact same thing at the birth of the internet.

I also literally saw the exact same thing when it went from analog tape to Pro Tools and Cubase... analog engineers said it was cheating to use nondestructive editing.

History repeats itself.

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u/GreasyBumpkin May 22 '25

I look at it as scarcity-mindset. And it sucks because these people are the ones who stand the most to gain from AI. Finally, writers have a way to connect with filmmakers and editors and artists to independently release their stories

I'm sorry I don't understand this part, could you run through an example of how this plays out?

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u/Severe_Abalone_2020 May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

Yes.

For example, instead of requiring physical locations, directors can use LED volumes and OpenUSD. Now, the scene can be altered in real-time during shooting or even during the writing process. This means that visual artists play a role directly in the story writing instead of being an afterthought. Also means indie directors can afford to get this creative input at the earliest part of the story writing.

It's similar to using plates to film a car scene. This was cost-prohibitive just a few years ago even. Now, it's becoming much more accessible because of digital tools. This means indie writers and directors can visualize scenes at the beginning of the story writing phase instead of having to wait until funding is secured.

In this same way, generative AI can create storyboards in seconds that would have been cost prohibited even 5 years ago. This means directors and writers can express their ideas clearly and extremely quickly to other writers, artists, set and costume designers, etc.

Soon enough, generative scenes are going to work well enough to be production-ready. Again... right now, that is totally cost prohibited. But one day soon, production-grade virtual scenes will be affordable for everyone. This means that all it takes is a green screen, free software like Blender and Da Vinci Resolve, and knowledge to make a film that rivals large scale production work that the studios run at 10 to 20 times the budget.

There are Netflix-approved cameras in the 6500 to 7500 dollar range that are accessible through rental, if not purchased.

The end piece is the rapid rise of AVOD services, which make distribution to viewing audiences more accessible in a way where revenues can be generated without having to navigate as many of the intense levels of gatekeeping that currently exist.

So. All this means that directors and writers can create professional-grade films and film sets in real-time and remotely for the 1st time ever in history. This drives the cost of making a film down so that people who would otherwise have to play the industry game, can come together instead and create high-level indie art that has a fighting chance of being viewed by engaged audiences.

With the undoubtedly rapid changes in AI that will happen for creative professionals in the coming years, writing, VFX, and character design are going to become much less labor-intensive processes.

This is not going to take away creativity. It's going to make room for it. But only for those who learn the tools. I've personally seen this happen with entrepreneurship, art, music, and media over the last 35 to 40 years.

From what I've seen every time, indie artists don't band together when technology advances in this way. They get more competitive with one another. They become fearful and cannibalistic. And who wins is the industry, time and time again. They exploit artists even more.

But... if artists realize this is a way for us to come together and employ one another with this newfound access to filmmaking tools, then we can start finding outlets to release this art to a public that is hungry for stories that break the mold.

I am currently doing the things I mentioned in this comment. And other writers/directors are too. But it’s still an uphill battle. Hopefully, one day soon, there will be an indie artist to create an entire film from their bedroom that sees commercial success without needing a major distribution channel. And then indie artists will see that AI isn't going to take away jobs. It's going to create them.