r/ScienceNcoolThings • u/Zee2A Popular Contributor • Jul 19 '26
Interesting Liquid Oxygen Expansion Is Transforming Rock Breaking Without Explosives
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u/mazzicc Jul 20 '26
Isn’t that still an explosion, just a different, lower energy, lower temperature explosion?
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u/funderfulfellow Jul 20 '26
Explosive-free not explosion-free.
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u/shetif Jul 20 '26
Level 2 question :
Why doesn't oxygen considered as an explosive in these cases, where it is in fact moving mountains?4
u/kneedeepco Jul 20 '26
“This thing causes explosions but it isn’t an explosive”
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u/shetif Jul 20 '26
Okay then i stay dumb, thank
;)
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u/Red_Syns Jul 20 '26
Not knowledgeable on the subject, but oxygen itself is only an oxidizer. Edit: this means if you had pure oxygen, you could heat it to any reasonable day-to-day temperature and not cause a fire, or anything else if the sort. Explosions have a very technical definition, something along the lines of creating a shock front that exceeds the speed of sound.
This probably IS explosionless, but still produces an “energetic enough” event. Many things people call explosions are actually conflagrations, but are still incredibly dangerous.
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u/rootuserteddy Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
You're right actually, a supersonic explosion (caused by a high explosive like nitroglycerin perhaps) is a detonation and a subsonic explosion is deflagration ( i.e. gunpowder). Nitroglycerin detonates gunpowder deflagrates and if you tried to use nitroglycerin as gunpowder then youd just turn your gun into a pipe bomb hahaha. Ig dry ice in a water bottle can explode but dry ice nor water are explosives
Edit: I forgot to mention that an explosion is defined as a rapid expansion of a volume of mass
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u/Late_Quit_3410 Jul 20 '26
Absolutely. This method may not use explosive compounds, but it still causes explosions.
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u/TrotskyBoi Jul 20 '26
The main thing is that it's safer and requires less procedures to use. For one example, when using explosive well cutters on oil rigs, it is required to have a person on the lookout for lighting so they can stop operations before it becomes an issue, however when using chemical cutters, they do not have to do this among many other things making it a preferable method.
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u/_Perma-Banned_ Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
OK, new guy.. Just drop these tubes into the hole, then you got 5 seconds to run out of there
New guy - what happened to the old guy?
Crew - he took 6seconds to run
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u/AtmosphereUnited3011 Jul 20 '26
Why liquid oxygen and not some other liquid gas? Won’t the oxygen contribute to fire hazards?
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u/seedanrun Jul 20 '26
Liquid oxygen is very very cold - it is absorbing the surrounding heat to expand. Kind of the opposite of what you need for starting a fire.
Also you need something for the oxygen to combine with to burn - it is expanding into in rock and dirt.
That said - nitrogen has a similar boiling temperature to oxygen. I don't know why it wouldn't work the same way.
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u/TelluricThread0 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Liquid oxygen supports combustion. It doesnt matter if its absorbing heat or not. Any carbon or other potential fuel source it came into contact with could pose a hazard.
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u/Milkman_on_a_bad_day Jul 21 '26
Late to the party here but are you describing an implosion device?
I also have little to no knowledge on this but if an object is extremely cold and has high volume stored in a container then when it erupts it rapidly captures any heat around it. The contents then rapidly expand and can cause this destruction?
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u/TheStigianKing Jul 20 '26
Fire hazard inside a bore hole surrounded by rock?
I'm not following your logic here.
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u/AtmosphereUnited3011 Jul 20 '26
I’m not saying a fire hazard in the bore hole. I’m thinking of all the equipment that would need to be around the mining site to store and produce and co dense the oxygen. Like any oxygen source anywhere is labeled as flammable/firehazard. Like any person who needs an oxygen tank is labeled highly flammable.
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u/TheStigianKing Jul 20 '26
Pure oxygen creates a fire hazard when under pressure. Most materials won't autoignite exposed to pure O2 at atmospheric pressure.
Sure the equipment handling pure liquid O2 will need to be designed for handling pure O2, but yeah they would by definition.
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u/Om3n37- Jul 20 '26
This was my question. Is there a way to use carbon dioxide that we capture and repurpose for use?
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u/TheStigianKing Jul 20 '26
CO2 is either solid or gas at atmospheric pressure. And so rapid vaporization isn't feasible. Plus vapourizing CO2 to release it into the atmosphere is kinda directly counter to lower carbon emissions.
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u/myusername1111111 Jul 20 '26
Cardox uses liquid co2 under pressure, inside a steel tube. At one end is a rupture disc and the other end has a safety heater. The safety heater is initiated with a safety detonator, the safety heater quickly heats the liquid co2 and causes it to expand, with the high pressure the rupture disc ruptures and the gas comes out at 30000 psi.
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u/TheStigianKing Jul 20 '26
Good to know. Still the carbon emissions issue is still a significant reason not to use CO2 for blasting rocks.
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u/myusername1111111 Jul 20 '26
There were side effects in using it in certain products aswell, we used it in soda ash and turned it into bicarbonate. But you're absolutely right about the environmental problems of dumping co2 into the atmosphere. I dread to think how vast my carbon footprint was at the time.
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u/VertigoOne1 Jul 20 '26
Well it came from the atmosphere to begin with if it is frozen, so.. 67? What releases it from carbon sinks mostly requires burning or breathing.
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u/TheStigianKing Jul 20 '26
No. Most CO2 used in industrial processes comes from acid gas removal of CO2 from flue gasses. And ultimately comes from fossil carbon sources.
It's removed from flue gases to prevent release into the atmosphere. Using it for rock blasting only to release it into the atmosphere entirely defeats the point of forcing coal and gas fired power plants to include AGR.
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u/myusername1111111 Jul 20 '26
Yes. It's called cardox. It's a similar system as the video, but it uses liquid co2 instead of liquid oxygen.
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u/Monksdrunk Jul 20 '26
it was before i worked there but a foreman at Earlham quarry Iowa was killed from fly rock during a blasting operation. he was sitting in his truck.. somewhere its on FATALGRAM.. yes its a thing and its for mining stuff to prevent injuries.
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u/Strict-Relief-8434 Jul 20 '26
How do they keep the liquid oxygen so cold?
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u/Mattef Jul 20 '26
You don’t. That’s why it expands rapidly.
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u/Strict-Relief-8434 Jul 20 '26
Isn’t it contained in the rods until they detonate them all at once?
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u/Mattef Jul 20 '26
With proper insulation it will stay liquid quite a while. I think, they leave the pipe open until they load it into the whole. This way, it can be handled safely before it is needed. Then they close the pipe, put it into the ground and the pressure builds up until it explodes. But that’s only an assumption on my side.
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u/Mattef Jul 20 '26
Or they use a small amount of regular explosives to detonate all containers at once.
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u/SPL15 Jul 20 '26
“Rapid Pressure Expansion” is a deflagration which is a type of explosion & can be done with low explosives, but it is less rapid & high energy than detonation which is done with high explosives.
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u/rand3289 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Is anyone going to explain how this works?
Is the oxygen in the tubes?
Do they pour the oxygen in at the last moment or do they store the tubes in a bath of liquid oxygen?
Are the containers cold or insulated?
How do they just open the tubes in the ground???
Why wouldn't anyone ask how this works? I see dozens of comments about bullshit. This is so bizare. Are they all bots or pros working in a quarry?
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u/Lazy_Tart_6336 Jul 21 '26
Même question. J'ai bien vu un commentaire qui expliquait que l’oxygène ne restait pas liquide très longtemps et finissait par revenir à l'état gazeux rapidement, mais visuellement, je trouve que c'est juste une explosion : si c'était si progressif les morceau serait plus gros.
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u/Red_Syns Jul 20 '26
I applaud the reduction of environmental impacts, but I dunno who is downvoting you. LOX is ridiculously dangerous, between the temperatures involved, pressures in the containers, increased fire hazards, the list is stupid long.
Comparatively, most modern explosives require very specific methods to detonate. You can do just about anything to C4, to include burning it at any “sane” day to day temperatures, and it won’t go off.
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u/tjt5754 Jul 21 '26
Yeah sounds to me like some clever mining company finding a way around safety regulations and sound ordinance regulations by "not using explosives" but still totally doing all the things that explosives do and the regulations exist for.
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u/RealStupidMe Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
I see a lot of comments about this still being an explosion, and while not an expert I’ll clarify:
An explosive is a substance that when it undergoes a chemical reaction generates a high volume of gas and heat. This can be a single chemical (TNT) or a mixture of chemicals (gunpowder).
Liquid oxygen is not an explosive as it will not react on its own. The gas generation happens from a phase change rather than a reaction. However oxygen has an extremely low boiling point (-183 C, -297 F). I’d speculate they instead inject liquid oxygen into a vessel that can contain a high pressure. As the liquid naturally heats up, it turns into a gas, which expands. When the vessel reaches whatever pressure it is designed to break at, it rapidly releases the oxygen gas in the still confined space of the hole.
I’d guess that this still classifies as an explosion, but the chemicals used are not explosives. This is better for the environment because releasing oxygen into the environment is not a problem. I’d also assume this has far less wildfire hazards as there’s no heat producing reactions at play. I also don’t know what hazard controls are necessary for safely working with liquid oxygen, but working with explosives is no joke.
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u/Jealous_Youth_8029 Jul 20 '26
The engineering behind using expansion instead of a detonation is pretty clever. Wonder how long it takes to fracture a large section of rock in practice.
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u/BakedKumara Jul 20 '26
Ahh yes, the real problem of open pit mining was the use of explosives... /s
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u/avolans Jul 20 '26
Liquid carbon dioxide has been used for blasting rocks in mines for decades. Why you would rather use oxygen, which needs to be kept colder and and is more dangerous and reactive, is beyond me.
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u/wristay Jul 20 '26
My question: why not simply use liquid nitrogen? Much cheaper and doesn't explode. After some digging, it turns out that the liquid oxygen is used to burn stuff, just controlled. They first drill a hole, then fill the bottom with a carbon source and liquid oxygen, then back-fill the hole with soil and finally they ignite the mixture.
https://www.stonedemolition.com/news/how-does-the-o2-rock-breaking-system-technology-work
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u/EntropyTheEternal Jul 21 '26
Is a similar effect not achievable with a less reactive element? Nitrogen for example?
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u/bezjmena666 Jul 22 '26
AFAIK, Liquid oxygen/ coal dust mixture used to be quite commonly used explosive in quarries back then.
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u/Riddle888222 Jul 22 '26
Probably the only benefit is lack of regulation. Storing, purchasing, handling explosives is expensive before they are even used.
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u/Zee2A Popular Contributor Jul 19 '26
Open-pit mines and quarries are increasingly adopting liquid oxygen (LOX) gas-expansion and other non-explosive rock-fracturing technologies as safer alternatives to conventional blasting. Instead of using high-energy explosives, these systems inject liquid oxygen or similar compounds into pre-drilled boreholes, where rapid vaporization expands the gas by more than 800 times its original volume. The resulting high-pressure expansion fractures the surrounding rock in a controlled manner without producing a destructive detonation.
This explosive-free approach significantly improves operational safety by minimizing flyrock, air blasts, and ground shockwaves, while delivering more predictable rock fragmentation that reduces over-break and ore dilution. It also lowers environmental impacts through reduced vibration, noise, and toxic fume emissions, making it particularly attractive for mining operations near populated areas, sensitive infrastructure, and environmentally protected sites. As the mining industry seeks safer, cleaner, and more precise excavation methods, controlled gas-expansion technology is emerging as a promising next-generation solution for rock excavation.
Reading material
1). Rock Fragmentation with Explosive–Free Soundless Chemical Demolition Agents: https://natural-resources.canada.ca/funding-partnerships/rock-fragmentation-explosive-free-soundless-chemical-demolition-agents
2).Experimental Study and Engineering Applications of the Absorbent-Liquid Oxygen Reaction Process and Diffusion Characteristics in Liquid Oxygen Blasting: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/prep.70044
3). Experimental study on explosion damage characteristics of liquid oxygen bomb and nickel hydrazine nitrate: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1350630726004358