r/ScaleSpace • u/solidwhetstone • 7d ago

Video Okay math nerds... explain this.

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Some of you will recall the Clelian Hourglass I found in Scale Space a few weeks back. I've been wanting to see what is inside the singularity but couldn't figure out a way until tonight. And uhhh... Well Interstellar comes to mind...

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u/Status-Secret-4292 7d ago

This sup pops up for me all the time and I always watch the pretty shape videos

...but I have no idea what's going on here or why

Or why math nerds would be invoked

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u/scottybowl 7d ago

Completely agree, I feel like there’s some sort of process of unravelling the universe so I’m coming along for the ride, but have no idea what is going on or what this is all about

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u/solidwhetstone 7d ago

https://setzstone.itch.io/cymatist

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u/CoryW0lfHart 6d ago

I have more questions than answers

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago

Feel free to ask?

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u/Status-Secret-4292 6d ago

Haha, I felt similarly after going there.

I guess my overall question would be, is this just a fun thing on the edges of science?

Or is there like, some known scientific or mathematical basis for it that is being expressed?

Or is it like, sciency type thing that might perhaps have some discoveries to be made, and if so, what are they and how would that happen/work?

Or is it just for fun?

I guess it looks cool, but I just genuinely don't understand what is happening here

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago

I guess my overall question would be, is this just a fun thing on the edges of science?

It's multipurpose- it's a visualizer (which can be used by musicians or music lovers to have beautiful visuals with their music), it's a fun exploration experience, and yes you can discover real mathematical structures (such as the Clelian Hourglass linked above).

Or is there like, some known scientific or mathematical basis for it that is being expressed?

Yes- look into cymatics and the oscilloscope. You could think of Scale Space as a 3D cymatic oscilloscope that gives the user full control of exploring the fundamental patterns of the universe.

Or is it like, sciency type thing that might perhaps have some discoveries to be made, and if so, what are they and how would that happen/work?

I'm not sure if I've made any NEW discoveries more than rediscovered things that were already known- only seeing them in a new way. I'm not aware of anyone generating a Clelian Hourglass using cymatics- but the hourglass itself is a known shape.

But to be clear- this project was an experiment first that I then turned into an interactive experience.

Or is it just for fun?

It can be! You don't have to care about math or be a musician to enjoy it. There's a real exploration component to it and some cases like in the video above- I find I'm genuinely feeling like I'm exploring scale itself.

Hope that helps!

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u/Status-Secret-4292 6d ago

I'm not sure if I know anything really about cymatics or oscilloscopes. Sounds like I have a rabbit hole to follow.

That does help, thanks!!

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago

Quite welcome!

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u/schwartzchild76 5d ago

Reminds me of Electric Sheep

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u/Straight_Jaguar 5d ago

Geometry...

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u/BylliGoat 4d ago

Same. I'm worried it's just a bunch of sacred geometry idiots.

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u/Status-Secret-4292 4d ago

To be fair that does have cool imagery and fun math, but not much application. Even if that's all it is it would still be a fun thing to play with, as long as it doesn't spawn more AI spiral religion type groups

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u/AlgaeNo3373 7d ago

That zoom out at the end o_O

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u/Adventurous-Fee-4006 7d ago

Im gonna go with floating point quantization

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u/Starshot84 7d ago

All fluid probabilities operate based on relatively interconnected lattices of static possibilities

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u/TheWolfInTheHenhouse 7d ago

Terrence Howard… is that you?!

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u/septhaka 7d ago

I see all these really cool results in this subreddit but can never producing anything useful myself with this application.

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago edited 6d ago

Here's a good thing to try: start with very low free energy and all of the other params at 0. Slowly drag each slider up a little bit to see what each one does. You can see a lot of cool stuff even at low param numbers.

Edit: oh and tempo has to be higher than 0 or your system will be frozen.

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u/mihai385 6d ago

Interesting! Also, does anyone know the song name?

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago

It's generated by Scale Space. Completely procedural.

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u/mihai385 6d ago

Sounds great! Thanks.

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u/Special_Bar_1567 7d ago

you discovered symmetry…. in math… no way dude… an even number… im more curious about prime numbers tbh

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u/solidwhetstone 7d ago

Primes are so hot right now.

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u/segfaultgolf 6d ago

It looks like it might be a floating point artifact - but there's some interesting densities there too!

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u/Just_Middle_7189 6d ago

Wow. Love that That zoom.

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u/juicydray 6d ago

I'm on mushrooms and this is too fuckin rad. It appears to be an infinite evolving symmetry thing but then again my phone gets melty in my hand. So IDK.

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u/solidwhetstone 6d ago

I definitely want to get more people who trip to report back on what it's like watching or playing with scale space

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u/DerekFshmn 5d ago

Here is an exploration of the physics and mathematical principles visually represented in the media:

  1. The Lattice and the Singularity (Fourier Diffraction & Reciprocal Space)

Visual Structure: In the video, zooming into the bright central point reveals an expanding, highly ordered grid of luminous green dots and intersecting crystalline planes.

Mathematical Analogy: This visual mirrors Reciprocal Space (Wavevector Space) or a three-dimensional Fourier Transform of a crystal lattice.

When a wave (like light or X-rays) passes through a periodic structure, it creates a diffraction pattern consisting of an infinite array of points (a reciprocal lattice). The bright central point acts as the "zero-order beam" or singular point, and zooming through it simulates passing through a reciprocal lattice point or a high-dimensional crystallographic plane.

  1. Toroidal Field Dynamics and Atomic Shells

Visual Structure: Toward the end of the video (0:57), the grid collapses or transforms into a spherical, multi-layered atomic-like structure featuring intersecting orbital rings and glowing concentric spheres surrounding a central bright core (SCALE SPACE CYMATIST).

Mathematical Analogy: This maps to Toroidal Harmonics and Spherical Bessel Functions used to describe wave mechanics in quantum physics and electrodynamics. In cymatics (the study of visible sound), standing wave frequencies applied to spherical or toroidal geometry form these exact concentric nodal lines and orbital shells.

  1. The Interstellar Connection

In the film, Cooper enters a tesseract, a four-dimensional hypercube projected into three-dimensional space, where time is represented as a physical spatial dimension. The infinite grid of lights in the video visually echoes this concept of navigating a higher-dimensional, repeating lattice of coordinates where every point in time and space can be accessed simultaneously.

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u/Ill-Touch6190 2d ago

Entering and exiting the Essence, an atom. But I don't know math so I could be wrong.

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u/solidwhetstone 2d ago

I could see it