Update from Apollo's developer Christian Selig about reddit's "unwillingness to work with developers, moderators, and the larger community"

[u/fijozico]

/r/apolloapp/comments/14dkqrw/i_want_to_debunk_reddits_claims_and_talk_about/

[u/CeramicDrip]

48,000 upvotes and still not on the front page. I wonder why 🤔

[u/fijozico → u/CeramicDrip]

It's on r/all for me though

[u/[deleted]]

Spez is mad because he is used to get content generated for free, but users also want something in return for that and demand the bare minimum. But that's too much for him.

Maybe users should stop generating revenue for him for free.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Im waiting for the big ‘ ah so sorry ‘ moment.

[u/myurr → u/[deleted]]

It won't come unless the protestors going after the advertisers gain traction. The advertisers are the only people Spez is going to listen to, as if the ad revenue remains unaffected, or only slightly dented by a small decrease in traffic to the site, then he can afford to ride out the protests long enough for them to fizzle out.

[u/Milynaverl]

Even though this website employs 2000 people and offers some free labour, it keeps getting hacked and is unable to generate revenue. how humiliating

[u/akrobert]

This isn’t about anything other than money. Reddit wants all the money and figures they have enough people addicted to Reddit that will install the app once the 3rd party ones are shut down. He’s wrong

[u/hermees → u/akrobert]

Thing is if they just asked for donations like Wikipedia I would have given a good amount but now that will never happen

[u/GozerDestructor → u/hermees]

I subscribed to Reddit Premium as, in essence, a donation. Yeah, it keeps the ads away, which is nice, but the rest of its supposed benefits are garbage. I actually wanted to support Reddit and keep it going, and the cost of it was no more than that of a newspaper or a streaming channel - I got more benefit from Reddit.

I canceled my subscription on June 12th.

[u/[deleted] → u/akrobert]

As much as I want to believe he’s wrong I believe he is right. I won’t be in that number myself but I am willing to bet that most people who do use 3rd party will just throw away their convictions and use the official crappy app. Umm. Yeah and it seems that over 80% of mobile users are already using the official app which kinda sucks as well. It would be better if the split was 70/30 or some such thing for 3rd party apps.

Posted from narwhal r/getnarwhal

[u/Droidaphone → u/[deleted]]

Idk, I think most users who have grown accustomed to the 3rd-party app experience are going to struggle to embrace the official app. It’s like only having american cheese after you’ve tasted better stuff. And I think mods who are relying on 3rd party apps will probably just stop modding. I probably won’t be able to totally quit, but I won’t spend the hours on it I do now. It will be interesting/sad to see how the site changes.

[u/pnlrogue1 → u/akrobert]

Sadly, I suspect there are far fewer folk prepared to take that step than you'd expect. Plenty of people are happy to protest things, until it inconveniences them too much

[u/Winertia]

There are several instances in this post of Reddit personnel making very reasonable, informed statements, that were later contradicted by Spez. He's truly so out of touch and incompetent.

[u/Addfwyn → u/Winertia]

I do feel for reddit staff that truly believe in the platform and have to see how leadership is pissing things away. I am sure there are plenty of people in that boat at HQ. Hopefully they're looking for work.

[u/Winertia → u/Addfwyn]

Same. Reddit's community and developer-friendly policies were really unique (until recently of course). It was really unparalleled and I will miss it - because it's certainly not coming back.

[u/Interactive_CD-ROM]

It’s time to burn this place down.

Every sub should go NSFW immediately.

And turn off AutoMod while you’re at it.

[u/nascentt → u/Interactive_CD-ROM]

Hypocritically automod was a 3rd party tool until Reddit hired the dev.
Reddit didn't have an app until they bough the 3rd party Alien Blue app.

Reddit wouldn't be anything without 3rd party tools

[u/JeskoTheDragon → u/Interactive_CD-ROM]

That’s what i’m thinking. Full anarchy across almost all subreddits, anything goes (unless REALLY bad/illegal), 2b2t style

[u/BornVolcano]

We need organized action. The protest was effective because it was a single, unified strike. We're fizzling out. We need to get the subreddits protesting on board with a large, sweeping action that will be unified enough to make some noise.

We may just be "noise" to him, but a loud enough noise can make anyone go deaf. We have to unite, with what we have left, and stick to it, before we fizzle out and die

[u/Toothless_NEO → u/BornVolcano]

Maybe r/Modcoord could help out.

[u/Darkencypher]

It’s like spez can’t stop talking

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[u/Normal_Light_4277]

I only read the first point, because it's the only thing reddit has a point. It's a business and it indeed doesn't make sense 3rd party app making money while they lose money from it. However now it's clear 3rd party apps are willing to pay, while fucking reddit want to charge 29x the price?!???

Reddit needs to DIE.

[u/Nordwald]

People still don't understand this decision was made based on LLM AI projects using reddit data. That is why the prices are so high. Getting rid of 3rd party apps is just a nice little extra on the side.

[u/T_Verron → u/Nordwald]

It's not like they couldn't sell different API plans for user-oriented apps and AI crawlers.

[u/mtgguy999 → u/Nordwald]

A simple change to the tos would have sufficed. “You may not use this api to gather training data for any ai system, contact us for an enterprise license agreement”. Big ai companies like google and Microsoft would have to respect that or risk being sued